Schoen isn't the answer.
This team was an embarrassment 3 years ago under Gettleman and 3 years later we are still an embarrassment.
I of course make sure the year off has allowed him to get recharged and if he is, I'm bringing him in.
I'd rather take my chances with one of the All time great HCs then to take my chances on what we've been saying.
Everything Belichek said on McCafee pod was absolutely true and it also tells me that Belichek even out of the league was more tapped into the Barkley demand then Schoen was who was dismissive of his own advisors.
My thoughts exactly. Sounds like he's saying things he knows our dolt of an owner wants to hear.
Belicheck would be able to start and has learned from recent mistakes....I think we'd be better off taking a chance with him then sticking out with Schoen....what do we have to lose?
As long as he also has a succession plan I am all in cause we are a laughingstock once again.
No matter how bad things ended, he still has a far better track record over Schoen.
Would be willing to wager BB would be here 3-4 ugly seasons, collect those paychecks, and then unceremoniously retire.
While I think Belichick would be good in a consultant role, his "post-Brady" track record scares me, and I'm not just referring to coaching. I'm referring to personnel and football decisions. I couldn't take him as a HC/GM.
Add to that, we're seriously discussing firing our HC after three years just so we can hire a guy who might as well have an actual sell-by date stamped on his forehead.
If we're going to drop Daboll for an experienced HC, Vrabel makes far more sense.
Why? He went 29-38 in his last four seasons in New England
Probably will be the Giants best option at the end of the year.
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but I am certain Belichick would be a significant upgrade over what we've got going now.
Why? He went 29-38 in his last four seasons in New England
I didn't think we'd go 29-38 over four years with these assholes.
Belichick isn't my preference. My preference would be to take a time machine to last year, fire everyone and hire Harbaugh. Alternatively I'd love them to hire Vrabel.
I don't see that happening either. I think the realistic best case scenario is a veteran retread like Arthur Smith, Kevin Stefanski, Jim Schwartz, or Mike McCarthy.
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Wanting to sign Barkley to a huge contract is just another example of how disastrous he's been as a personnel guy since Brady (and even at the tail end of Brady)
My thoughts exactly. Sounds like he's saying things he knows our dolt of an owner wants to hear.
Year 7 Daniel Jones with Belichick might actually have some good comedy potential.
I doubt very seriously he'd come here without having total control, so it's a "no" for me.
I'd roll the dice on Belichick because best case he's only here short term if it doesn't work out because he's old - you don't feel like it's really uprooting a lot if he crashes and burns in 3 or 4 years.
but you want to talk identity (which makes me laugh because it's really a meaningless platitude), but watch A Football Life the Belichick special where he's talking after the 2009 season.
He comes to the realization they got in a rut and he says (paraphrasing) "...we are so predictable on offense. You get up on Welker and take away Moss deep and we're done".
Over the next two drafts he re-shaped the offense. Traded Moss. Added Gronk, Vereen, used Edelman differently, rehired Scarnecchia and after the 2010 season when they lost to the Mark Sanchez jets they began a string of 8 straight AFC Conference Championship appearances. 5 Super Bowl appearances and 3 SB wins. The second half of the Patriots dynasty may be more impressive than the first half.
The f-ing Patriots won a Super Bowl over the Rams 13-3 and people still want to say "Belichick was nothing without Brady" because Brady won in TB and Bill struggled in NE without him, but they are morons when they say that.
I don't know what Belichick has left, but him "being a disaster as a GM" is something I could live with if it meant getting his mind running the organization.
I'd roll the dice on Belichick because best case he's only here short term if it doesn't work out because he's old - you don't feel like it's really uprooting a lot if he crashes and burns in 3 or 4 years.
but you want to talk identity (which makes me laugh because it's really a meaningless platitude), but watch A Football Life the Belichick special where he's talking after the 2009 season.
He comes to the realization they got in a rut and he says (paraphrasing) "...we are so predictable on offense. You get up on Welker and take away Moss deep and we're done".
Over the next two drafts he re-shaped the offense. Traded Moss. Added Gronk, Vereen, used Edelman differently, rehired Scarnecchia and after the 2010 season when they lost to the Mark Sanchez jets they began a string of 8 straight AFC Conference Championship appearances. 5 Super Bowl appearances and 3 SB wins. The second half of the Patriots dynasty may be more impressive than the first half.
The f-ing Patriots won a Super Bowl over the Rams 13-3 and people still want to say "Belichick was nothing without Brady" because Brady won in TB and Bill struggled in NE without him, but they are morons when they say that.
I don't know what Belichick has left, but him "being a disaster as a GM" is something I could live with if it meant getting his mind running the organization.
Yup. I'd be fine handing Bill the keys to the kingdom. Giddy up.
I'd roll the dice on Belichick because best case he's only here short term if it doesn't work out because he's old - you don't feel like it's really uprooting a lot if he crashes and burns in 3 or 4 years.
but you want to talk identity (which makes me laugh because it's really a meaningless platitude), but watch A Football Life the Belichick special where he's talking after the 2009 season.
He comes to the realization they got in a rut and he says (paraphrasing) "...we are so predictable on offense. You get up on Welker and take away Moss deep and we're done".
Over the next two drafts he re-shaped the offense. Traded Moss. Added Gronk, Vereen, used Edelman differently, rehired Scarnecchia and after the 2010 season when they lost to the Mark Sanchez jets they began a string of 8 straight AFC Conference Championship appearances. 5 Super Bowl appearances and 3 SB wins. The second half of the Patriots dynasty may be more impressive than the first half.
The f-ing Patriots won a Super Bowl over the Rams 13-3 and people still want to say "Belichick was nothing without Brady" because Brady won in TB and Bill struggled in NE without him, but they are morons when they say that.
I don't know what Belichick has left, but him "being a disaster as a GM" is something I could live with if it meant getting his mind running the organization.
I think Belichick the coach still would have the goods due to reasons you've said, but I'd feel much more comfortable if he brought Josh McDaniels as the O-coordinator. His best offensive production as coach has come with McDaniels, who is a terrible head coach but good offensive coordinator in the Norv Turner mode.
No, because his drafts in NE were for shit. Sorry you can't grasp that.
Arch Manning?? Do you think he's coaching into his eighties?
Arch Manning has a noodle arm, did you watch him throw passes the other night vs Georgia?
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lol, because the current GM is covered in glory. or the one before the that.
No, because his drafts in NE were for shit. Sorry you can't grasp that.
*recent* drafts
Belicheks last 4 seasons is still better then the trash we are looking at right now.
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lol, because the current GM is covered in glory. or the one before the that.
No, because his drafts in NE were for shit. Sorry you can't grasp that.
they can't all be winners.
I'm not at all ignorant to the mistakes he made in his last 5 years in NE. I live in NE. But I'd hire him today and clean house.
The Giants have been a joke for over a decade. We can say they should hire Vrabel but it is much more likely Mara will hire some clown instead.
I'd roll the dice on Belichick because best case he's only here short term if it doesn't work out because he's old - you don't feel like it's really uprooting a lot if he crashes and burns in 3 or 4 years.
but you want to talk identity (which makes me laugh because it's really a meaningless platitude), but watch A Football Life the Belichick special where he's talking after the 2009 season.
He comes to the realization they got in a rut and he says (paraphrasing) "...we are so predictable on offense. You get up on Welker and take away Moss deep and we're done".
Over the next two drafts he re-shaped the offense. Traded Moss. Added Gronk, Vereen, used Edelman differently, rehired Scarnecchia and after the 2010 season when they lost to the Mark Sanchez jets they began a string of 8 straight AFC Conference Championship appearances. 5 Super Bowl appearances and 3 SB wins. The second half of the Patriots dynasty may be more impressive than the first half.
The f-ing Patriots won a Super Bowl over the Rams 13-3 and people still want to say "Belichick was nothing without Brady" because Brady won in TB and Bill struggled in NE without him, but they are morons when they say that.
I don't know what Belichick has left, but him "being a disaster as a GM" is something I could live with if it meant getting his mind running the organization.
he wasnt even a disaster as a GM. like anyone he had misses but even in his last 2 drafts he got more good players than we got those years without any top 10 picks. his defenses were 11th and 15th in PPG in 2022/2023. white, gonzalez, jones, mapu, demario douglas are good players. strange is injured but was probably better than neal. boutte has started to make some plays. jack jones career was interupted by off field but he was a decent player before getting replaced and cut (now a starter in vegas).
The pros are, he would wring more out of the talent currently on team, get these guys playing and competing harder, develop a plan. And most importantly boot the Mara's out of the decision making processes.
Now yeah, he would likely have to bring his head coach in waiting and that would probably be one of his guys that's gone into coaching vs the old failed group he had at NE.
Same thing with an old coach. I’d love BB here but same thing if he retired in a year or 2 same crap.
The best thing to do is clean house and get a new GM/Coach that has a clean slate with the new QB.
Or keep Schoen and Dabs long term with their own QB. But with a lot of failed draft picks, personnel moves and coaching… is it worth bringing them back? I’m having a hard time with that right now.
really, die hard life-long fans no longer give a shit. I didn't even watch the game this week and i probably will not even watch it taped even though i have it. i haven't done that in almost 40 years. seriously, why should these guys be allowed to come to work tomorrow?
The pros are, he would wring more out of the talent currently on team, get these guys playing and competing harder, develop a plan. And most importantly boot the Mara's out of the decision making processes.
Now yeah, he would likely have to bring his head coach in waiting and that would probably be one of his guys that's gone into coaching vs the old failed group he had at NE.
this is basically the way i see it. id hope he has a better plan than bringing back mcdaniels/patricia/bob types. building a strong staff and turning the ship around in the right direction with a plan to remain in the org helping guide it forward after he's off the sidelines would be ideal.
end of the day its kind of a simple question, who do you trust more to rebuild the org culture and find the next HC, john mara or bill belichick?
Agree 100%
Just his presence, his experience and knowledge will be such a huge asset to this Giants organization.
You guys are pretty tough on Belichik the GM. The Pats were very good for a long time. (they were in the playoffs for 11 straight years after the season Cassel had to play because Brady got hurt they were 10-5 that season and missed the playoffs) They had the corpse of Cam Newton for one year and then went to the playoffs again Mac Jones' first season. Maye was the first pick they had in the top 10 of the draft in 16 years. They've had 3 total in the top 10 in 23 years. We've had 6 in the just the last 6 year- how are we doing?
Mara has tried the up and comers and it hasn't worked. You bet your ass he's talking to Bill.
I mean, do we really want to see Judge back on the sidelines?
And it's doubtful he'd take a job where he'd have an owner constantly whispering in his ear.
Either way, a new GM/HC won't change a thing if Mara continues to run this organization like a fan boy.
Aside from the nostaglia factor, I don't get the BB love. Average to poor drafts. 82-98 record as a coach without Brady. Age related concerns for a team that is in the midst of a rebuild.