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| David Syvertsen @Ourlads_Sy I’m a hard ABSOLUTELY NO on any “Fire Schoen” talk for the Giants. I actually have more confidence in this front office than I’ve had in a decade. The sure thing that needs to be replaced is the QB The gray area is the coaching staff That’s where it stands, period. |
Schoen has done both good and bad in my view. I’d give him more time to build the roster and get the QB. If he’s gone too I won’t lose sleep over it, but think it’s a step back short term to reset the GM position. A coach and a QB and we have a pretty good team.
Really? How long did it take the Lions?!!
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Last year with his mishandling of the coaching staff - his hires, his process. Unforgivable…we talk about a head coach losing the players; this one lost his staff. Lots of poor game plans, poor decisions….Daboll can go. Give me Vrabel over him any day.
Schoen has done both good and bad in my view. I’d give him more time to build the roster and get the QB. If he’s gone too I won’t lose sleep over it, but think it’s a step back short term to reset the GM position. A coach and a QB and we have a pretty good team.
Really? How long did it take the Lions?!!
3 years until the Lions reached the playoffs, so 2 more than the Giants.
The Giants were pleasantly/surprisingly a winning team in '22 and were still dealing with cap issues.
No excuses, Schoen make the decisions he did but to have to overcome a horrific cap situation after a winning first season has impacted the rebuild.
Year 4 is ultra important to the franchise, but most importantly Schoen.
The Giants have gone backwards.
My favorite Radiohead lyrics apply each year: I'm not living, I'm just killing time.
My favorite Radiohead lyrics apply each year: I'm not living, I'm just killing time.
This is where I end up. Where are the data points suggesting we're on the right path?
Outside of Nabers, do we have a single acquisition on offense that we should really like? I don't think so. It's a pathetic showing three years into the regime. And if you want to argue it's hard to analyze them given the QB situation... well, who made the choices at that position?
I think they've both got to go.
If you are using offense to mean a QB, I agree.
But I think there are some good parts in place. The OL was functioning much better, the RBBC was looking bullish, the receivers looks more promising than ever, and Dabka know offense.
And then there is Jones...
Unless you think he’s a gold jacket guy, fixating on one player is what SB contending teams can afford to do, bad teams should not throw away draft picks for marginal differences in upside.
We can't cherry pick on a case by case basis how you want your GM to work. Either you want them to trust their evaluations and get the players they believe are the best fit, or you want them to take a less aggressive approach and take what the draft plays out ahead of you.
Gettlemen and Reese rarely/never moved around in the draft for players, Schoen has no issue with it. It's just picking between vanilla and chocolate. There is no 'correct' answer. If you don't like his scouting it doesn't matter if he hoarded all his picks anyway, does it? They won't be good anyway.
The reality for Banks is the same as for the WRs and everyone else on this roster: whether it's a dropped pass or a missed tackle, or a bad coverage, the *offense* cannot recover from a one-score deficit, so anyone that fucks up is the cause of that week's loss. 3-4 solid weeks for Banks doesn't matter because he had one awful play, now he's a bad pick.
This is how people lose perspective.
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Unless you think he’s a gold jacket guy, fixating on one player is what SB contending teams can afford to do, bad teams should not throw away draft picks for marginal differences in upside.
We can't cherry pick on a case by case basis how you want your GM to work. Either you want them to trust their evaluations and get the players they believe are the best fit, or you want them to take a less aggressive approach and take what the draft plays out ahead of you.
Gettlemen and Reese rarely/never moved around in the draft for players, Schoen has no issue with it. It's just picking between vanilla and chocolate. There is no 'correct' answer. If you don't like his scouting it doesn't matter if he hoarded all his picks anyway, does it? They won't be good anyway.
The reality for Banks is the same as for the WRs and everyone else on this roster: whether it's a dropped pass or a missed tackle, or a bad coverage, the *offense* cannot recover from a one-score deficit, so anyone that fucks up is the cause of that week's loss. 3-4 solid weeks for Banks doesn't matter because he had one awful play, now he's a bad pick.
This is how people lose perspective.
I don't disagree about cherry picking, but my point is more about process than player. Banks was a fine pick, my issue is throwing picks away for someone who may be marginally better than some other guys still on the board. Bad teams shouldn't do that.
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The Giants don't have an offense, they have a receiver.
If you are using offense to mean a QB, I agree.
But I think there are some good parts in place. The OL was functioning much better, the RBBC was looking bullish, the receivers looks more promising than ever, and Dabka know offense.
And then there is Jones...
Shades of 98/99 with Kanell/Graham and Ike, Toomer, and Tiki.
I don't disagree about cherry picking, but my point is more about process than player. Banks was a fine pick, my issue is throwing picks away for someone who may be marginally better than some other guys still on the board. Bad teams shouldn't do that.
And this brings me to one of my biggest gripes with the Giants org, and it predates Schoen, but has continued under him, and that is the utter lack of self-scouting. They bought into 2022's success when it was crystal clear that the playoff run was more mirage than anything else.
It's fine to think you've got a base to build on, but to think you're a SB contender when you got your ass handed to you by a team that actually made it there? Just so short-sighted, and likely led to evaluations like Banks. Sure, he can be the difference-maker that gets us to the SB. A total lack of self-awareness.
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The Giants don't have an offense, they have a receiver.
If you are using offense to mean a QB, I agree.
But I think there are some good parts in place. The OL was functioning much better, the RBBC was looking bullish, the receivers looks more promising than ever, and Dabka know offense.
And then there is Jones...
Shades of 98/99 with Kanell/Graham and Ike, Toomer, and Tiki.
And also why I refuse to give up on Wan'Dale, who had more explosive plays with Tyrod and DeVito in the lineup