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NFT: ⚾ Mets Postmortem & Postseason discussion thread ⚾

Optimus-NY : 10/23/2024 11:16 am
Hiya folks,

Season’s over 😞. Let’s concentrate our discussion here for approximately the next 9 to 12 days or so until the World Series is over. Looks like monthly discussion threads will be the best way to go after this thread. I’ll start the next one a day or two after the World Series ends and once November starts. After that, I’ll just start one on the first of each month through approximately the end of March.

This loss in Game 6 against the Dodgers still rubs me raw personally, so I wouldn’t be surprised to see people wanna still talk about that, as well as the NLCS itself, although that sentiment seems to be waning now that a few days have passed since then. When looked upon as whole, the playoffs were fun and successful. Certain things were red flags and others were bright spots. Feel free to post any observations you’ve got, look forward to the future, or simply vent about whatever ails you in Metsland (not much it seems).

We can chit-chat about the World Series too here from our perspective when it starts in two days in Chavez Ravine. Schadenfreude is the word to keep in mind when it comes to that I believe since it’s the Dodgers and Yankees, lol. Let's keep everything on this thread for the sake of organization please, unless something big happens of course. We’ll do our best to try and organize our discussion threads this off-season in an informative way now that the Mets’ season is over. Everyone's input is welcome. Discuss…

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DanMetroMan : 10/23/2024 4:17 pm : link
The only obvious non-tender candidate is D.J. Stewart (he's a lock), otherwise Alex Young (is he worth a million or so?), SRF (health over cost) and Blackburn (tendered if they indeed feel he'll make a full recovery in 4-5 months) everybody else likely tendered
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DanMetroMan : 10/23/2024 4:55 pm : link
The bad... Jacob Reimer is only hitting hitting .188 through his first 16 official ab's in the AFL... the good? He has a whopping 9 walks which is tied for 3rd in the league (the players with more have 28 and 24 ab's) #Mets
Let Alonso walk  
Earl the goat : 10/23/2024 6:05 pm : link
Let the young kids continue to play and develop

With a leader like Lindor and Nimmo the Mets are set

Alvarez. Vientios. Mauricio. Baty. Williams. Gilbert. Acuna. Future is bright

Go out and get a real ACE

And continue to build the bullpen
Soto math  
Eric on Li : 10/23/2024 7:45 pm : link
the numbers to reference with Ohtani is the present day value of his contract which was 460m (*10 years).

Ohtani was entering his age 30, so he was 4 years older.

simply add 4 more years to that contract and it's 14 years $644m before any manipulations or creative accounting. which unlike ohtani, he/boras almost certainly don't want.

Ohtani obviously also pitches, but off a second TJS i think that only drove a smaller portion of his expected value relative to his offensive value the next 10 years.

Soto is the better hitter and a younger player with more prime years, so i think breaking the record for AAV and pushing towards $50m per year is possible. If the mets can do anything to make the NYY more uncomfortable, thats what they can do. increase the CBT AAV which could also push the NYY farther into luxury tax with Cole/Stanton/Judge already under contract at big $.

How many years and how much he gets guaranteed in total will be up to the market. i personally dont see how the yankees draw a line at year 11 or 12 or 13 given how invested in him they are. but never say never. cohen/stearns should and will certainly push them as uncomfortable as possible.
forgot rodon  
Eric on Li : 10/23/2024 8:04 pm : link
here's the yankee situation - most importantly pay attention to the right most column since all these deals run through 2027-2029 (and judge through 2032) except rizzo.



through 2027 that's $158.5 lux tax without Soto, $208.5m with him at $50m for just 7 players
through 2029 that's $125m lux tax without Soto, $175m with him at $50m for just 5 players

remember they have tried to avoid repeater taxes and only this year for the first time gone into the cohen tax. if they are starting at 208.5m over 7 players for the next 3 seasons that is going to ensure a pretty substantial tax bill with repeater taxes and cohen tax level.

not saying they can't do that, but just like they bowed out with yamamoto, cohen can push the price to somewhere uncomfortable. i think stearns may bow out on cohens price before the yankees this time because soto is so important to them.
RE: forgot rodon  
Jim in Fairfax : 10/23/2024 8:20 pm : link
In comment 16658839 Eric on Li said:
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i think stearns may bow out on cohens price before the yankees this time because soto is so important to them.

I don’t understand what you’re saying here. Stearns works for Cohen - how does Cohen’s price make him bow out?
RE: RE: forgot rodon  
Eric on Li : 10/23/2024 8:24 pm : link
In comment 16658844 Jim in Fairfax said:
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In comment 16658839 Eric on Li said:


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i think stearns may bow out on cohens price before the yankees this time because soto is so important to them.


I don’t understand what you’re saying here. Stearns works for Cohen - how does Cohen’s price make him bow out?


i think last offseason cohen would have spent whatever stearns wanted on whomever (as he was willing with yamamoto) but stearns chose to not give out any deals longer than 1 year. i think he has more discipline spending the money than cohen's willingness to spend.
Gilbert  
DanMetroMan : 10/23/2024 8:41 pm : link
2 homers tonight
Elian  
DanMetroMan : 10/23/2024 8:47 pm : link
Pena is at the Mets DSL academy
Link - ( New Window )
I'm guessing the Mets go first for upgrading the pen, second the  
Ira : 10/23/2024 9:30 pm : link
rotation and last the position players. But, we'll see.
Here's my idea of how to approach our threads this coming off-season:  
Optimus-NY : 10/24/2024 8:06 am : link
*I'm just partially copying this from the previous thread.

The thread after this one would start a day or two after the end of the World Series or the start of November, whichever comes second. We can have that run until the end of November and have what's ultimately almost a month long thread.

After that, we can just start a monthly Mets offseason discussion thread exactly on the 1st of each month, beginning in December, for each month after that through March. Each thread would be a month long, but we can also start special separate threads for any big signings/big news if we like or if the occasion calls for it (i.e., a Juan Soto signing!).

The point is to just keep things as organized as possible. This way we can see What Dan and Eric post, as well as any other info that comes along as the off-season progresses until Opening Day on March 27th.

In summary:

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1) "Mets Post-mortem and Postseason Discussion thread" started yesterday until a day or two after the World Series ends or the start of November, whichever comes second.

2) "Mets offseason discussion thread for November" until the last day of November.

3) "Mets offseason discussion thread for December" starting on the first of that month until the end of that month.

4) "Mets offseason discussion thread for January" starting on the first of that month until the end of that month.

5) "Mets offseason discussion thread for February" starting on the first of that month until the end of that month. Spring training will begin then with the first game taking place on February 22nd. I won't do Spring training game threads. We can talk about the games there though if people would like to.

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6) "Mets offseason discussion thread for March" starting on the first of that month until the end of that month. The regular season will kick off on March 27th in Houston. We can use that thread to talk about offseason, spring training, add Minor League stuff.


What do you guys think? As stated above, we can always do a special thread for any big news (i.e., Pete Alonso and/or Sean Manaea re-signing with the Mets, Corbin Burnes signing with the Mets, Tanner Scott signing with the Mets, etc.).
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DanMetroMan : 10/24/2024 8:39 am : link
AFL- Scorpions fall 11-10. Drew Gilbert with a huge game 3-4, 2 HR, BB, Jett Williams 0-5, BB,4 k’s (hit cleanup), Garcia 1 inning 3 hits 2 runs 2 walks 2 k’s, Ramirez 0.2 perfect 1 k #Mets
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DanMetroMan : 10/24/2024 11:09 am : link
Francys Romero
@francysromeroFR
Cuban left-hander Naikel Cruz (25) has drawn interest from six MLB teams, per sources.

Cruz has a 94-95 mph fastball and elite curve with top spin rate. He was a member of Cuba U-23 and made the WBC roster.

He is expected to sign as a professional (25 years and 6 seasons).
What do you guys think of Maton & Stanek?  
Optimus-NY : 10/24/2024 12:22 pm : link
The Mets have got a club option of $7.75 M on him. He'll turn 32 on March 25th. Is he worth keeping? I know I want Stanek back and if it came between one or the other, I'd choose Stanek (who's a FA). Stanek will turn 34 next summer and only made $4 M in 2024. Opinions?
I'd  
DanMetroMan : 10/24/2024 12:25 pm : link
be careful overvaluing Stanek. 1 year 5-6 million sure but...he posted a 4.39 FIP with the Mets and has a 4.36 FIP over his last 118 games (4.50 era). He's fine, throws hard but he's merely "ok". His optics are better than his results. Cool look, throws hard etc.
Push  
DanMetroMan : 10/24/2024 12:29 pm : link
comes to shove, I'd sooner bring back Maton who posted a 2.57 FIP post trade. Yeah, he struggled in the playoffs (he's still #8 in era among active RP in the playoffs) but he was also used and abused due to lack of options. Wouldn't hate bringing them both back but as I said, I wouldn't go overboard to keep Stanek.
***hidden gem***  
DanMetroMan : 10/24/2024 12:34 pm : link
Admittedly, I don't know why the Rockies would be looking to move any of their decent players but I'd make the call on Ryan Feltner. On the road hitters hit .234/.306/.375 against him and he posted a 2.98 era over his final 15 starts #Mets
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DanMetroMan : 10/24/2024 4:20 pm : link
@jacobreimer3 making his second start in LF today for Scottsdale. Interesting given the suggestion he might see time in the OF in 2024 (obviously got hurt) Neither Jett Williams and Drew Gilbert are in the starting lineup. #Mets
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DanMetroMan : 10/24/2024 4:39 pm : link
maria mb18 ⚾️💙🧡
@mariamb18
Mets are holding a Fan Fest on January 25th. It’s announced in an email from Steve and Alex Cohen.
Here's a "Meet at the Apple" podcast episode that just came out today:  
Optimus-NY : 10/24/2024 4:41 pm : link
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Oct 24, 2024 Meet at the Apple

With the offseason officially underway for the Mets after an incredible 2024 campaign, the team looks forward to big changes coming and we talk about everything you need to know from David Stearns’ press conference. We talk about all the internal options the Mets currently have between the minor leagues, guys coming back from injuries and reminders of key players still under contract. Francisco Lindor performing well over contract value, Mark Vientos emerging as a star, Francisco Alvarez coming into form and then pieces in the minor league’s like Brandon Sproat, Blade Tidwell, Ryan Clifford and more.



Are The Mets Setting Up To Be a POWERHOUSE In 2025?? | Ep. 103 | Meet at the Apple - ( New Window )
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DanMetroMan : 10/24/2024 5:13 pm : link
Wow. Tigers 1B/C Josue Briceño is having a MONSTER AFL. 19 years old 17/38 with 6 homers
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