John Mara said he does not anticipate making changes after the season. Part of reason he is committed to Joe Schoen & Brian Daboll — he still has confidence in them. Thinks he has not been patient enough in recent years. Mara - ( New Window )
I know the team was average in year 3 and not terrible but a lot of coaches would have got canned after 99.
But I want to concede your bigger point, HardTruth. I looked through pro football reference and most 3rd year coaches who survive make the playoffs that 3rd year and the 3rd years who don’t but are retained - a small sample size - mostly are fired during/after the 4th.
Fassel is an interesting example as he did decline each of his 3 seasons. 10-5-1 and a NFC East division title to 8-8 and then 7-9 and no playoffs for 2 years. They even had acquired Collins for a QB and he wasn’t good at 2-5 with 8 TDs to 11 INts
The Giants did seem to have a strong defensive core with Strahan, Sehorn, Armstead and Hammer as an identity and top unit
But they also lost last 3 and 6 of last 8.
So this is a pretty good example I think.
RE: RE: RE: Good, this is what I want to see happen
This also plays into my feeling that Daboll was told to play Jones this year and see if he could make it work with him. If not then he can move on next season, but his job would be safe.
Just a feeling I get.
You're most likely right. This HK clip confirms it. "This is the year for Daniel." Wasting time. Link - ( New Window )
That clip is a great insight into the utter chaos and dysfunction of the New York Giants.
The idiot relative taking the GM to task for losing a RB who was the foundational piece of a terrible offense. The GM being defensive - in a way that makes it sound like he didn't want to pay the QB $40M and is throwing that back in the face of the idiot relative who was part of that decision.
All of the culinating in the 2024 strategy, which is The Year of Daniel Jones. Not the team, not the 52 other players...Daniel Jones. We have to help Daniel!!!
Sounds like the kind of dysfunction commonly found in mom and pop shops to be very honest.
That is the exact point and the problem with having McDonnell where he is. You know that regardless of what the org chart says, he sees his real boss as John Mara.
If you are John Mara and you actually believe Tim McDonnell is brilliant and a widely respected personnel guy around the league, why isn't he the GM? Why do you put someone else in that chair and then saddle him with a relative of the owner who technically works for him, but in reality is responsible only the owner?
It is just another example of John Mara's complete incompetence in running a business he never had to earn, but was dropped in his lap.
loses control of the situation, he's not getting fired in season, and certainly not right now.
Mara will give Daboll (and Schoen) his full public support, right up to the press conference announcing the firing. Anything he says publicly is to be taken with a grain of salt.
Before the season, Mara said he wanted to see improvement. That's as negative as he's going to get.
a struggling team by changing the coach and gm every 2 years because you then end up constantly having a completely new plan and starting from scratch every year. It takes time to build a winning team. Can't be pandering to fans like that, we generally don't know shit and make emotional decisions.
Oh please. You also don't turn it around by hiring incompetents or mediocrities and then leaving them in charge.
My gut tells me that we will likely lose on Monday night to the Steelers in Pittsburgh. 2-6 awaits and there will be no run towards the playoffs this year.
But Daboll and Schoen need another year to draft and develop. Year 1 2022 killed us on two levels: a poor draft and poor choices, namely not keeping the 5th-year option "somehow" on Jones, which led to a successful year and big contract.
The successful year led to more bad choices because, in truth, we weren't good at all after a fast start. The playoff win was an aberration.
The 2023 draft looks ok and 2024 is looking to be a superb one.
Lets see how we do as the year goes on and as long as the team doesn't quit on Daboll I see no issue retaining him for another year.
My gut tells me that we will likely lose on Monday night to the Steelers in Pittsburgh. 2-6 awaits and there will be no run towards the playoffs this year.
But Daboll and Schoen need another year to draft and develop. Year 1 2022 killed us on two levels: a poor draft and poor choices, namely not keeping the 5th-year option "somehow" on Jones, which led to a successful year and big contract.
The successful year led to more bad choices because, in truth, we weren't good at all after a fast start. The playoff win was an aberration.
The 2023 draft looks ok and 2024 is looking to be a superb one.
Lets see how we do as the year goes on and as long as the team doesn't quit on Daboll I see no issue retaining him for another year.
Time will tell on the draft. Everyone thought last year's draft was the cat's ass, and now Banks may have gone around the bend, Hyatt has done nothing, Gray a fumbling bum, Schmitz has struggled, Riley a turnstyle etc etc etc
Let's see some of these guys put together 2 or 3 good seasons in a row.
That is the exact point and the problem with having McDonnell where he is. You know that regardless of what the org chart says, he sees his real boss as John Mara.
If you are John Mara and you actually believe Tim McDonnell is brilliant and a widely respected personnel guy around the league, why isn't he the GM? Why do you put someone else in that chair and then saddle him with a relative of the owner who technically works for him, but in reality is responsible only the owner?
It is just another example of John Mara's complete incompetence in running a business he never had to earn, but was dropped in his lap.
To me there's a simple solution and that is Tim leaving the pro-personnel department to work under John. I don't think that will happen because John likes having a "mole" in there, just another sign of a dysfunctional franchise.
That is the exact point and the problem with having McDonnell where he is. You know that regardless of what the org chart says, he sees his real boss as John Mara.
Correction: Tim McDonnell does not see John Mara as his boss. His mom is just as much of an owner as John Mara is. McDonnell sees himself as his own boss.
Where there is no talent, patience is nothing more than a self-preservation crutch for the indecisive, the ill-informed, the congenitally obtuse and the delusionally myopic.
We don't need more time on Schoen and Daboll. If the disastrous record, nauseating on field performance and now apparent loss of the locker room isn't enough, how about the two worst decisions in Giants history in the DJ contract and the handling of Barkley? Their credibility is shot. Every future decision will be second guessed with a degree of cynicism that now eclipses that reserved for the likes of Gettleman and Judge.
The fact that Mara can't see this is ridiculous but not surprising. Does he really believe his comments to support Schoen and Daboll will somehow assuage the growing malcontent when the growing malcontent is directly attributable to the rock bottom judgment of these two guys? What happened to his expectation of sixty days ago when he needed to see progress and a "big step forward"?
The only two things that matter now are 1) trading away as many assets as possible in the next ten days to accumulate 2025 draft capital and 2) benching DJ asap to preclude any possible injury settlement risk. Everything else is just gaslighting nonsense.
That is the exact point and the problem with having McDonnell where he is. You know that regardless of what the org chart says, he sees his real boss as John Mara.
Correction: Tim McDonnell does not see John Mara as his boss. His mom is just as much of an owner as John Mara is. McDonnell sees himself as his own boss.
Yeah but his mom is not making decisions about the direction of the team on the field. John Mara is. As long as he doesn't get pulled over with a trunk full of severed heads, he knows he can't lose his job.
That is the exact point and the problem with having McDonnell where he is. You know that regardless of what the org chart says, he sees his real boss as John Mara.
If you are John Mara and you actually believe Tim McDonnell is brilliant and a widely respected personnel guy around the league, why isn't he the GM? Why do you put someone else in that chair and then saddle him with a relative of the owner who technically works for him, but in reality is responsible only the owner?
It is just another example of John Mara's complete incompetence in running a business he never had to earn, but was dropped in his lap.
To me there's a simple solution and that is Tim leaving the pro-personnel department to work under John. I don't think that will happen because John likes having a "mole" in there, just another sign of a dysfunctional franchise.
They should just end the charade and put the nephew in charge of football ops. As we've learned he's worked his way up from being a ball boy as a teen, got a job straight out of college with former Giants assistant Charlie Weis at Notre Dame, and has been with the Giants for 12 years. All earned very much on merit and definitely not because he fell out of a Mara uterus.
He's obviously well-respected leaguewide, so now is clearly the time to turn the football personnel department over to him and let him prove it.
The only thing that makes sense if this regime is safe
The Steelers in 1971. The owners have since admitted they considered firing Chuck Noll after a third straight losing season, but decided they were seeing progress. The rest is history.
Your example is 1971?
53 years later and proof of success by staying away John Mara still reverts to his alleged "meddling" ways. Maybe he should have become a ballboy and known his limitations. Seems like the times were outliers where things just fell into place. We all long for a return to those days.
Giants are so casual about throwing away season after season,
Starting Jones given the injury guarantee and his injury history is just absolutely insane, almost as dumb as paying a QB who can't throw touchdowns.
We have 2% odds of making the playoffs according to The Athletic. How much does Lock or DeVito drop those odds, if at all?
Giants are second worst in the league in PPG. The other bottom five teams are Miami, NE, Cleveland, and Carolina. Two made QB changes voluntarily, two had their QBs hurt.
I don't think people are harping enough on just how stupid this is. They absolutely should not be safe.
Starting Jones given the injury guarantee and his injury history is just absolutely insane, almost as dumb as paying a QB who can't throw touchdowns.
We have 2% odds of making the playoffs according to The Athletic. How much does Lock or DeVito drop those odds, if at all?
Giants are second worst in the league in PPG. The other bottom five teams are Miami, NE, Cleveland, and Carolina. Two made QB changes voluntarily, two had their QBs hurt.
I don't think people are harping enough on just how stupid this is. They absolutely should not be safe.
This is the most important factor. Any significant injury is going to cost them the 12M, and put the 23M at risk.
That is the exact point and the problem with having McDonnell where he is. You know that regardless of what the org chart says, he sees his real boss as John Mara.
Correction: Tim McDonnell does not see John Mara as his boss. His mom is just as much of an owner as John Mara is. McDonnell sees himself as his own boss.
Yeah but his mom is not making decisions about the direction of the team on the field. John Mara is. As long as he doesn't get pulled over with a trunk full of severed heads, he knows he can't lose his job.
While not severed heads, what about all those texts in the Brian Flores lawsuit? Holy hell, can you imagine if he wasn’t a blood relative and made those texts? He’d be fired in a minute!
The Steelers in 1971. The owners have since admitted they considered firing Chuck Noll after a third straight losing season, but decided they were seeing progress. The rest is history.
Your example is 1971?
You’re asking for evidence with a tiny data set. I thought the example was germane. You think Steelers fan thought Noll was a good coach after the team closed the season by dropping 5 of 6 games to end 1970? Certainly not. But yet there he is, in Canton.
Different era. You didn't need to worry about players leaving for free agency or salary caps. You could take a raw talent like Terry Bradshaw and wait 3 or 4 years for him to come around without worrying about extensions or free agency. You could afford to be patient. And there was steady improvement under Noll. The Steelers were 2-11-1 Austin's last season. Noll went 1-13 his first season, 5-9 the second with Bradshaw, 6-8 the third and 11-3 the 4th. There wasn't this backsliding that is going on around here.
Oh, and drafting. Starting in Noll's first draft, there were 4 straight drafts with at least 1 hall of fame player.
Daniel Jones as QB this year was Mara's idea nobody else. No GM in their right mind would have had Jones as the starter with no viable back up. Schoen and Daboll were promised in advance that Jones failure, if that is what occurred, would not impact them. The deal was, if Jones fails you will get to select your own QB and then you will be on the clock for success or failure. It works for Daboll and Schoen because there was no downside for them.
Daniel Jones as QB this year was Mara's idea nobody else. No GM in their right mind would have had Jones as the starter with no viable back up. Schoen and Daboll were promised in advance that Jones failure, if that is what occurred, would not impact them. The deal was, if Jones fails you will get to select your own QB and then you will be on the clock for success or failure. It works for Daboll and Schoen because there was no downside for them.
So they told the rest of the team "hey we know this year is a waste, but next year we'll have a qb" ?
Daniel Jones as QB this year was Mara's idea nobody else. No GM in their right mind would have had Jones as the starter with no viable back up. Schoen and Daboll were promised in advance that Jones failure, if that is what occurred, would not impact them. The deal was, if Jones fails you will get to select your own QB and then you will be on the clock for success or failure. It works for Daboll and Schoen because there was no downside for them.
Any GM or coach who would sell out all of the rest of the players on the team to save their own jobs is not worthy of the jobs they hold. If this is true, they both need to be fired immediately.
Daniel Jones as QB this year was Mara's idea nobody else. No GM in their right mind would have had Jones as the starter with no viable back up. Schoen and Daboll were promised in advance that Jones failure, if that is what occurred, would not impact them. The deal was, if Jones fails you will get to select your own QB and then you will be on the clock for success or failure. It works for Daboll and Schoen because there was no downside for them.
I can't get there. There are too many signs that Schoen likes Jones. And too many posters just look the other way and give him the benefit of the doubt...
If Jones was Schoen's idea in what world does he keep his job?
I agree, Jones still being here + the complete lack of any competition for the position this year is a huge mark against Schoen. 2-4 wins and he probably shouldn't get a 4th year
Daniel Jones as QB this year was Mara's idea nobody else. No GM in their right mind would have had Jones as the starter with no viable back up. Schoen and Daboll were promised in advance that Jones failure, if that is what occurred, would not impact them. The deal was, if Jones fails you will get to select your own QB and then you will be on the clock for success or failure. It works for Daboll and Schoen because there was no downside for them.
I can't get there. There are too many signs that Schoen likes Jones. And too many posters just look the other way and give him the benefit of the doubt...
Some of us are trying to convince ourselves of that since there is a better than average chance Schoen is coming back next year.
that they would need at least 3 and probably 4 years to really unbury themselves from the mess Gettleman left.
Unless they really lose the locker room or pull some bullshit at a PC like Judge, I'm inclined to stick with that, though I have concerns about both to varying degrees.
For what it's worth, I listened to the Giants Insider Podcast this morning & either Chris or Jerry said that Mara apparently bounced before the game even ended...
How you could watch Jones last season and not bring in a legit other option to have a real QB competition should question everything about this regime. To me it’s hard to recover from that or trust them at all.
How you could watch Jones last season and not bring in a legit other option to have a real QB competition should question everything about this regime. To me it’s hard to recover from that or trust them at all.
If the goal was "this is a sink or swim year" then you have committed to giving him the year to see what he is. Either he plays better or he's gone. There would be no reason to have an open competition. But they told you when they signed Lock that there would be no competetion for the job.
Daniel Jones as QB this year was Mara's idea nobody else. No GM in their right mind would have had Jones as the starter with no viable back up. Schoen and Daboll were promised in advance that Jones failure, if that is what occurred, would not impact them. The deal was, if Jones fails you will get to select your own QB and then you will be on the clock for success or failure. It works for Daboll and Schoen because there was no downside for them.
For what it's worth, I listened to the Giants Insider Podcast this morning & either Chris or Jerry said that Mara apparently bounced before the game even ended...
Wouldn't it be nice for Mara to participate in another on-field ceremony? Hell I'd buy tickets for that one, largest crowd of the year.
Or with being boxed in with his own statements. He gave judge a vote of confidence before firing him. Others too.
So why say it?
He never wants to fire anyone. He didnt *want* to fire judge. If not for being convinced otherwise by Tisch and advisors Judge would have survived.
He did not fire Gettleman, and had every football reason to. He had a fast trigger for Shurmur and McAdoo and regretted it since. He has spoken a lot and has been consistently on-message about not wanting constant turnover. His position on it has been pretty clear for a while.
If asked about security for Daboll or Schoen, a "no comment" does not stop the questions or speculation. It makes it worse immediately. He left himself an out by saying "I dont forsee any changes". Clearly he's leaving it open-ended, as he should.
But I want to concede your bigger point, HardTruth. I looked through pro football reference and most 3rd year coaches who survive make the playoffs that 3rd year and the 3rd years who don’t but are retained - a small sample size - mostly are fired during/after the 4th.
Fassel is an interesting example as he did decline each of his 3 seasons. 10-5-1 and a NFC East division title to 8-8 and then 7-9 and no playoffs for 2 years. They even had acquired Collins for a QB and he wasn’t good at 2-5 with 8 TDs to 11 INts
The Giants did seem to have a strong defensive core with Strahan, Sehorn, Armstead and Hammer as an identity and top unit
But they also lost last 3 and 6 of last 8.
So this is a pretty good example I think.
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Keep Daboll and Schoen, change out DJ
This also plays into my feeling that Daboll was told to play Jones this year and see if he could make it work with him. If not then he can move on next season, but his job would be safe.
Just a feeling I get.
You're most likely right. This HK clip confirms it. "This is the year for Daniel." Wasting time. Link - ( New Window )
That clip is a great insight into the utter chaos and dysfunction of the New York Giants.
The idiot relative taking the GM to task for losing a RB who was the foundational piece of a terrible offense. The GM being defensive - in a way that makes it sound like he didn't want to pay the QB $40M and is throwing that back in the face of the idiot relative who was part of that decision.
All of the culinating in the 2024 strategy, which is The Year of Daniel Jones. Not the team, not the 52 other players...Daniel Jones. We have to help Daniel!!!
Sounds like the kind of dysfunction commonly found in mom and pop shops to be very honest.
If you are John Mara and you actually believe Tim McDonnell is brilliant and a widely respected personnel guy around the league, why isn't he the GM? Why do you put someone else in that chair and then saddle him with a relative of the owner who technically works for him, but in reality is responsible only the owner?
It is just another example of John Mara's complete incompetence in running a business he never had to earn, but was dropped in his lap.
Mara will give Daboll (and Schoen) his full public support, right up to the press conference announcing the firing. Anything he says publicly is to be taken with a grain of salt.
Before the season, Mara said he wanted to see improvement. That's as negative as he's going to get.
But Daboll and Schoen need another year to draft and develop. Year 1 2022 killed us on two levels: a poor draft and poor choices, namely not keeping the 5th-year option "somehow" on Jones, which led to a successful year and big contract.
The successful year led to more bad choices because, in truth, we weren't good at all after a fast start. The playoff win was an aberration.
The 2023 draft looks ok and 2024 is looking to be a superb one.
Lets see how we do as the year goes on and as long as the team doesn't quit on Daboll I see no issue retaining him for another year.
But Daboll and Schoen need another year to draft and develop. Year 1 2022 killed us on two levels: a poor draft and poor choices, namely not keeping the 5th-year option "somehow" on Jones, which led to a successful year and big contract.
The successful year led to more bad choices because, in truth, we weren't good at all after a fast start. The playoff win was an aberration.
The 2023 draft looks ok and 2024 is looking to be a superb one.
Lets see how we do as the year goes on and as long as the team doesn't quit on Daboll I see no issue retaining him for another year.
Let's see some of these guys put together 2 or 3 good seasons in a row.
Lets see how we do as the year goes on and as long as the team doesn't quit on Daboll I see no issue retaining him for another year.
This is the essence of being a Giants fan these days. The bar is to keep the coach as long as the team is trying, lying this is pop warner.
Oh, and we know at least one of the 2023 draft pick is already starting to quit...
22 was nothing to write home about.
23 ditto.
24 looks good right now, but we've been down this road before.
At best Schoen/Daboll get a meh grade in the draft. Not good enough to save their bacon if other considerations weigh against them.
Maybe they do bench Jones. Not saying they're going to "tank", but maybe they shut down some key guys later in the season to play younger players.
They know they need the QB to buy them more time.
If you are John Mara and you actually believe Tim McDonnell is brilliant and a widely respected personnel guy around the league, why isn't he the GM? Why do you put someone else in that chair and then saddle him with a relative of the owner who technically works for him, but in reality is responsible only the owner?
It is just another example of John Mara's complete incompetence in running a business he never had to earn, but was dropped in his lap.
To me there's a simple solution and that is Tim leaving the pro-personnel department to work under John. I don't think that will happen because John likes having a "mole" in there, just another sign of a dysfunctional franchise.
Correction: Tim McDonnell does not see John Mara as his boss. His mom is just as much of an owner as John Mara is. McDonnell sees himself as his own boss.
We don't need more time on Schoen and Daboll. If the disastrous record, nauseating on field performance and now apparent loss of the locker room isn't enough, how about the two worst decisions in Giants history in the DJ contract and the handling of Barkley? Their credibility is shot. Every future decision will be second guessed with a degree of cynicism that now eclipses that reserved for the likes of Gettleman and Judge.
The fact that Mara can't see this is ridiculous but not surprising. Does he really believe his comments to support Schoen and Daboll will somehow assuage the growing malcontent when the growing malcontent is directly attributable to the rock bottom judgment of these two guys? What happened to his expectation of sixty days ago when he needed to see progress and a "big step forward"?
The only two things that matter now are 1) trading away as many assets as possible in the next ten days to accumulate 2025 draft capital and 2) benching DJ asap to preclude any possible injury settlement risk. Everything else is just gaslighting nonsense.
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That is the exact point and the problem with having McDonnell where he is. You know that regardless of what the org chart says, he sees his real boss as John Mara.
Correction: Tim McDonnell does not see John Mara as his boss. His mom is just as much of an owner as John Mara is. McDonnell sees himself as his own boss.
Yeah but his mom is not making decisions about the direction of the team on the field. John Mara is. As long as he doesn't get pulled over with a trunk full of severed heads, he knows he can't lose his job.
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That is the exact point and the problem with having McDonnell where he is. You know that regardless of what the org chart says, he sees his real boss as John Mara.
If you are John Mara and you actually believe Tim McDonnell is brilliant and a widely respected personnel guy around the league, why isn't he the GM? Why do you put someone else in that chair and then saddle him with a relative of the owner who technically works for him, but in reality is responsible only the owner?
It is just another example of John Mara's complete incompetence in running a business he never had to earn, but was dropped in his lap.
To me there's a simple solution and that is Tim leaving the pro-personnel department to work under John. I don't think that will happen because John likes having a "mole" in there, just another sign of a dysfunctional franchise.
They should just end the charade and put the nephew in charge of football ops. As we've learned he's worked his way up from being a ball boy as a teen, got a job straight out of college with former Giants assistant Charlie Weis at Notre Dame, and has been with the Giants for 12 years. All earned very much on merit and definitely not because he fell out of a Mara uterus.
He's obviously well-respected leaguewide, so now is clearly the time to turn the football personnel department over to him and let him prove it.
2. Sell as many players as you can and accumulate draft assets.
Anything else is unserious.
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The Steelers in 1971. The owners have since admitted they considered firing Chuck Noll after a third straight losing season, but decided they were seeing progress. The rest is history.
Your example is 1971?
53 years later and proof of success by staying away John Mara still reverts to his alleged "meddling" ways. Maybe he should have become a ballboy and known his limitations. Seems like the times were outliers where things just fell into place. We all long for a return to those days.
Leaks before two drafts were also attributed to McDonnell.
When you run a business like a donut shop or restaurant it's ok to hire relatives. Running a football team isn't the same.
Season tic suckers like me pay for this nonsense.
We are hopefully near the end of the longest QB evaluation in NFL history.
Leaks before two drafts were also attributed to McDonnell.
Interesting...where have you heard this?
2. Sell as many players as you can and accumulate draft assets.
Anything else is unserious.
Totally agree.
We have 2% odds of making the playoffs according to The Athletic. How much does Lock or DeVito drop those odds, if at all?
Giants are second worst in the league in PPG. The other bottom five teams are Miami, NE, Cleveland, and Carolina. Two made QB changes voluntarily, two had their QBs hurt.
I don't think people are harping enough on just how stupid this is. They absolutely should not be safe.
You hired the wrong guys!! It's not a patience issue.
It's your hiring process and evaluation.
We have 2% odds of making the playoffs according to The Athletic. How much does Lock or DeVito drop those odds, if at all?
Giants are second worst in the league in PPG. The other bottom five teams are Miami, NE, Cleveland, and Carolina. Two made QB changes voluntarily, two had their QBs hurt.
I don't think people are harping enough on just how stupid this is. They absolutely should not be safe.
This is the most important factor. Any significant injury is going to cost them the 12M, and put the 23M at risk.
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That is the exact point and the problem with having McDonnell where he is. You know that regardless of what the org chart says, he sees his real boss as John Mara.
Correction: Tim McDonnell does not see John Mara as his boss. His mom is just as much of an owner as John Mara is. McDonnell sees himself as his own boss.
Yeah but his mom is not making decisions about the direction of the team on the field. John Mara is. As long as he doesn't get pulled over with a trunk full of severed heads, he knows he can't lose his job.
While not severed heads, what about all those texts in the Brian Flores lawsuit? Holy hell, can you imagine if he wasn’t a blood relative and made those texts? He’d be fired in a minute!
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The Steelers in 1971. The owners have since admitted they considered firing Chuck Noll after a third straight losing season, but decided they were seeing progress. The rest is history.
Your example is 1971?
You’re asking for evidence with a tiny data set. I thought the example was germane. You think Steelers fan thought Noll was a good coach after the team closed the season by dropping 5 of 6 games to end 1970? Certainly not. But yet there he is, in Canton.
Oh, and drafting. Starting in Noll's first draft, there were 4 straight drafts with at least 1 hall of fame player.
So they told the rest of the team "hey we know this year is a waste, but next year we'll have a qb" ?
Any GM or coach who would sell out all of the rest of the players on the team to save their own jobs is not worthy of the jobs they hold. If this is true, they both need to be fired immediately.
I can't get there. There are too many signs that Schoen likes Jones. And too many posters just look the other way and give him the benefit of the doubt...
I agree, Jones still being here + the complete lack of any competition for the position this year is a huge mark against Schoen. 2-4 wins and he probably shouldn't get a 4th year
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Daniel Jones as QB this year was Mara's idea nobody else. No GM in their right mind would have had Jones as the starter with no viable back up. Schoen and Daboll were promised in advance that Jones failure, if that is what occurred, would not impact them. The deal was, if Jones fails you will get to select your own QB and then you will be on the clock for success or failure. It works for Daboll and Schoen because there was no downside for them.
I can't get there. There are too many signs that Schoen likes Jones. And too many posters just look the other way and give him the benefit of the doubt...
Some of us are trying to convince ourselves of that since there is a better than average chance Schoen is coming back next year.
If matters keeping heading downward, there will no doubt be a confab and a re-think
Unless they really lose the locker room or pull some bullshit at a PC like Judge, I'm inclined to stick with that, though I have concerns about both to varying degrees.
For now, I'm plus on both
If the goal was "this is a sink or swim year" then you have committed to giving him the year to see what he is. Either he plays better or he's gone. There would be no reason to have an open competition. But they told you when they signed Lock that there would be no competetion for the job.
This is actually nonsense.
Wouldn't it be nice for Mara to participate in another on-field ceremony? Hell I'd buy tickets for that one, largest crowd of the year.
I'm not suggesting change anything, but why box yourself in and make a decision now on something you don't need to make a decision on now.
it seems weak and likely forces his own hand or risk losing credibility.
So why say it?
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Or with being boxed in with his own statements. He gave judge a vote of confidence before firing him. Others too.
So why say it?
He never wants to fire anyone. He didnt *want* to fire judge. If not for being convinced otherwise by Tisch and advisors Judge would have survived.
He did not fire Gettleman, and had every football reason to. He had a fast trigger for Shurmur and McAdoo and regretted it since. He has spoken a lot and has been consistently on-message about not wanting constant turnover. His position on it has been pretty clear for a while.
If asked about security for Daboll or Schoen, a "no comment" does not stop the questions or speculation. It makes it worse immediately. He left himself an out by saying "I dont forsee any changes". Clearly he's leaving it open-ended, as he should.