John Mara said he does not anticipate making changes after the season. Part of reason he is committed to Joe Schoen & Brian Daboll — he still has confidence in them. Thinks he has not been patient enough in recent years. Mara - ( New Window )
I am sick of him, his mouth and loser ways. Grow a set and get rid of the QB, coach GM all of them and let someone not named Mara run the team as the ultimate decision maker.
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
I truly believe Mara doesn’t want to go through another overhaul. I also have been around long enough to know that things can change over the next 11 weeks…
Those words are chosen carefully. That is in no way a strong commitment to them for next year. Especially since he said definitively no changes during the season
i can see that now knowing judge has ascended back up the mountain to...checks notes...the rank of senior analyst at ole miss after leaving NE somehow in even lower regard around than NFL than when he left NYG.
i buy this about as much as i buy these:
when the dam breaks the dam breaks. these guys already got a year 3 mcadoo, shurmur, judge didnt get (correctly so in all cases).
The more guys quit during games and people show up
It's October. 2-5 is a lot different than 4-13 at the end of the season. Mcadoo got a vote of confidence too after the Niners loss in 2017.
That was different. That statement, which was joint Mara/Tisch, conveyed that McAdoo wasn't going to be let go mid-season, but that everything would be evaluated at season end.
Also said the team's losing record and performance at that point was "inexcusable and frustrating."
This also plays into my feeling that Daboll was told to play Jones this year and see if he could make it work with him. If not then he can move on next season, but his job would be safe.
This also plays into my feeling that Daboll was told to play Jones this year and see if he could make it work with him. If not then he can move on next season, but his job would be safe.
Just a feeling I get.
You're most likely right. This HK clip confirms it. "This is the year for Daniel." Wasting time. Link - ( New Window )
inserted himself into the decision making process and was ultimately the one who dictated that Judge was getting canned…notwithstanding any prior vote of confidence from his co-owner.
During the season? That’s fine, give them the whole year.
This also plays into my feeling that Daboll was told to play Jones this year and see if he could make it work with him. If not then he can move on next season, but his job would be safe.
Just a feeling I get.
What happens if playing Jones causes the other 52 guys to tune BD out? Votes of confidence or not, losing the locker room may cost him his job
Friendly reminder that Mara had to be convinced to fire Judge even
i can see that now knowing judge has ascended back up the mountain to...checks notes...the rank of senior analyst at ole miss after leaving NE somehow in even lower regard around than NFL than when he left NYG.
i buy this about as much as i buy these:
when the dam breaks the dam breaks. these guys already got a year 3 mcadoo, shurmur, judge didnt get (correctly so in all cases).
My contrarian opinion is that I think Shurmur should have gotten a year three only because Jones was promising in his rookie year.
Judy Battista
@judybattista
John Mara would not discuss Daniel Jones. Focused on Daboll and Schoen.
Most revealing part of this. Finally, some message discipline on Jones. Indicates to me he’s not surviving long unless he has a significant turnaround.
They would give Jones one more chance this year in a sink or swim season. If Jones succeeds, Mara is justified in his stance and the organization wins overall. If Jones fails as expected Daboll and Schoen are justified in moving on from him and get a free pass this season. Additionally The team will be in position to draft a QB which is what they want after missing out on whoever they wanted in last years draft. The unofficial tank job is on!
This season, there has clearly been plays on the field where Jones did not see wide open receivers or just completely misplaced the ball. To me that says the play calling is actually OK, there’s just one guy that can’t take advantage now, unfortunately the ball is in his hands on every one of those plays.
I remember Daboll getting angry with Jones last year. Ever since then I think Daboll has been the primary voice (internally) saying that the current QB simply isn’t going to work.
These two things are what give me pause about moving on from Daboll too quickly. He’s also slowly improved the assistant coaches each year, especially the O-line coach (Bricillo) this year and arguably the D coach (Bowen).
The awkwardness of the Martindale situation was weird, but I feel like Martindale’s personality was the primary catalyst which is probably why Baltimore moved on from him.
It was what he NEEDED to say to stop or reduce the shit storm that has been created over the past two weeks.
Sure, it was what he felt he needed to say, in particular because Barkley's performance in the Giants' loss put Mara's names in the headlines.
That doesn't make it not newsworthy. Mara sought out a reporter to get out his message. It does go a long way to confirming that Schoen, at least, isn't going anywhere at season's end. Not 100%, but a long way.
And Daboll probably stays, unless things go so badly that Schoen gets the hint that a sacrifice must be made.
RE: RE: yeah the prob was not enough patience with judge, gettleman, shurmur
i can see that now knowing judge has ascended back up the mountain to...checks notes...the rank of senior analyst at ole miss after leaving NE somehow in even lower regard around than NFL than when he left NYG.
i buy this about as much as i buy these:
when the dam breaks the dam breaks. these guys already got a year 3 mcadoo, shurmur, judge didnt get (correctly so in all cases).
My contrarian opinion is that I think Shurmur should have gotten a year three only because Jones was promising in his rookie year.
it's not an indefensible position, i wonder what may have been with him if he'd been able to get Fangio as his DC instead of Bettcher. his offense did look good here.
but it looked crappy everywhere else after and he had a maturity problem that probably made it impossible for him to be a good leader.
a struggling team by changing the coach and gm every 2 years because you then end up constantly having a completely new plan and starting from scratch every year. It takes time to build a winning team. Can't be pandering to fans like that, we generally don't know shit and make emotional decisions.
Whole different feel with a real QB.
@judybattista
John Mara would not discuss Daniel Jones. Focused on Daboll and Schoen.
Otherwise enjoy losing another 10+ years
--NYG beats the Panthers to get to 2-5 and Mara tells Paul Schwartz that he feels he found his Bill Parcells in Joe Judge.
Nothing said today matters for what happens in January 2025.
@DDuggan21
I truly believe Mara doesn’t want to go through another overhaul. I also have been around long enough to know that things can change over the next 11 weeks…
Link - ( New Window )
i buy this about as much as i buy these:
when the dam breaks the dam breaks. these guys already got a year 3 mcadoo, shurmur, judge didnt get (correctly so in all cases).
That was different. That statement, which was joint Mara/Tisch, conveyed that McAdoo wasn't going to be let go mid-season, but that everything would be evaluated at season end.
Also said the team's losing record and performance at that point was "inexcusable and frustrating."
Significantly harsher than JM's current comment.
11/13/17 - ( New Window )
Mike Vrabel is sitting there unemployed. Don't tell me John Mara pulls out all the stops to win.
God damn it.
This also plays into my feeling that Daboll was told to play Jones this year and see if he could make it work with him. If not then he can move on next season, but his job would be safe.
Just a feeling I get.
This also plays into my feeling that Daboll was told to play Jones this year and see if he could make it work with him. If not then he can move on next season, but his job would be safe.
Just a feeling I get.
You're most likely right. This HK clip confirms it. "This is the year for Daniel." Wasting time.
Link - ( New Window )
Eli Manning got three more after it was pretty obvious he was done.
Daniel Jones got six years.
The Giants have had too much patience.
This also plays into my feeling that Daboll was told to play Jones this year and see if he could make it work with him. If not then he can move on next season, but his job would be safe.
Just a feeling I get.
What happens if playing Jones causes the other 52 guys to tune BD out? Votes of confidence or not, losing the locker room may cost him his job
Shit, he had a shorter fuse with a guy that actually won two Super Bowls.
2. As of now, there will be no clearance sale at 1925 GW on or before November 5th.
3. Like Joe, I still believe in Daniel.
4. Per Joe's team, the 2025 QB class looks less than stellar.
5. I'm over the Barkley embarrassment.
6. I don't want the daughter of that BBI owner mocking me with another clown photo.
That would be nice to hear. Does anyone remember "Goodbye Allie"?
i buy this about as much as i buy these:
when the dam breaks the dam breaks. these guys already got a year 3 mcadoo, shurmur, judge didnt get (correctly so in all cases).
My contrarian opinion is that I think Shurmur should have gotten a year three only because Jones was promising in his rookie year.
Callers were constantly giving him shit.
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Judy Battista
@judybattista
John Mara would not discuss Daniel Jones. Focused on Daboll and Schoen.
Most revealing part of this. Finally, some message discipline on Jones. Indicates to me he’s not surviving long unless he has a significant turnaround.
He gives a standard answer to a bullshit question and somehow this is newsworthy.
Shit, he had a shorter fuse with a guy that actually won two Super Bowls.
Shurmur is the obly one remotely with a clue. And that was a time where mara felt like they were a close to winning and was less patient
He gives a standard answer to a bullshit question and somehow this is newsworthy.
Mara made himself available for a reason. And the reason is what he wanted to say about Schoen and Daboll.
I think Daboll could still go, but Mara would say it was Schoen's call.
Mara made himself available for a reason. And the reason is what he wanted to say about Schoen and Daboll.
I think Daboll could still go, but Mara would say it was Schoen's call.
It was what he NEEDED to say to stop or reduce the shit storm that has been created over the past two weeks.
Things will be much different if this team is 4-13 and 0-6 in the NFC East.
Eli Manning got three more after it was pretty obvious he was done.
Daniel Jones got six years.
The Giants have had too much patience.
Agree 100%
Mara is part of the problem unfortunately. Loyal to a fault.
I remember Daboll getting angry with Jones last year. Ever since then I think Daboll has been the primary voice (internally) saying that the current QB simply isn’t going to work.
These two things are what give me pause about moving on from Daboll too quickly. He’s also slowly improved the assistant coaches each year, especially the O-line coach (Bricillo) this year and arguably the D coach (Bowen).
The awkwardness of the Martindale situation was weird, but I feel like Martindale’s personality was the primary catalyst which is probably why Baltimore moved on from him.
It was what he NEEDED to say to stop or reduce the shit storm that has been created over the past two weeks.
Sure, it was what he felt he needed to say, in particular because Barkley's performance in the Giants' loss put Mara's names in the headlines.
That doesn't make it not newsworthy. Mara sought out a reporter to get out his message. It does go a long way to confirming that Schoen, at least, isn't going anywhere at season's end. Not 100%, but a long way.
And Daboll probably stays, unless things go so badly that Schoen gets the hint that a sacrifice must be made.
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i can see that now knowing judge has ascended back up the mountain to...checks notes...the rank of senior analyst at ole miss after leaving NE somehow in even lower regard around than NFL than when he left NYG.
i buy this about as much as i buy these:
when the dam breaks the dam breaks. these guys already got a year 3 mcadoo, shurmur, judge didnt get (correctly so in all cases).
My contrarian opinion is that I think Shurmur should have gotten a year three only because Jones was promising in his rookie year.
it's not an indefensible position, i wonder what may have been with him if he'd been able to get Fangio as his DC instead of Bettcher. his offense did look good here.
but it looked crappy everywhere else after and he had a maturity problem that probably made it impossible for him to be a good leader.
It’s really hard to gauge a team with a bad qb,
Add a qb and I think we would all start feeling a lot better about a lot of players around here