Field Yates: NFL views the 2025 QB class less than 2024

top QB in this class might slot in as ~QB4 against last year's class.

got the Nabers pick right. Naybe2025 doesn't have as dense a talent pool. But there are still some names where the giants can get their guy IMO.

What's the hurry in drafting a QB?

They need to add two QBs to the QB room this spring. That wouldn’t be the case if they signed someone like Jameis to a two year deal.

In comment 16666241 battttles said:

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top QB in this class might slot in as ~QB4 against last year's class.

The first three taken look pretty good so far, so that may not be a bad thing

They may not be ready day 1, but with good coaching and roster building - some will be very successful.

Becuase it doesn't have guys at the level of the three that were already taken before our pick. I'm not sure why this is so hard to understand. If this class had an elite prospect it would be thought more favorably of, but it wouldn't matter because he wouldn't be available for us. I can guarantee you there is going to be several first round QBs in this draft to be had.

It had 3 elite level prospects that are way better than anyone in 2025.

This is a point that is largely irrelevant to the Giants, who did not have the ability to draft any of those 3 prospects.

You want to say the 3 QBs who were available to the Giants in 24 are better than what will be avaliable in 25? Perhaps. Perhaps not. But the idea of the class being better is irrelevant to everyone outside the top 3 in 2024

Nobody had JJM, Nix or Penix had 1st round grades at this time. Some still had them as 2nd rounders right up to the draft.

The beginning of the year Joe Burrow was a mid round pick.

So much can change between now and draft time. Relax.

Also if we drafted JJM who most people had us taking if we took a QB…and he tore his ACL most of you would be flipping out we passed on Nabers.

In comment 16666261 Jerry in_DC said:

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It had 3 elite level prospects that are way better than anyone in 2025. This is a point that is largely irrelevant to the Giants, who did not have the ability to draft any of those 3 prospects. You want to say the 3 QBs who were available to the Giants in 24 are better than what will be avaliable in 25? Perhaps. Perhaps not. But the idea of the class being better is irrelevant to everyone outside the top 3 in 2024

Bingo!

Don’t tell me Sanders, Ward, Beck, Allar and the rest can’t be better prospects than JJM, Penix or Nix which nobody had them highly rated.

...it's almost like you could see this coming back in April.

Sy's exact words were, "Advance scouting is a real thing."

That's Daniel Jones' music!

Year 7 here we come.

I can name two experts of the top of my head that had McCarthy ranked at or near the top of the 2023 class. I can also name a couple experts that had Maye near the bottom.

The Giants may have viewed it as a three QB class, but the Giants have proven to not know a damn thing about quarterbacks.

In comment 16666267 Go Terps said:

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...it's almost like you could see this coming back in April. Sy's exact words were, "Advance scouting is a real thing."

Right, and when the Giants selected Nabers, they were well aware of the 2025 prospects

In comment 16666269 Go Terps said:

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I can name two experts of the top of my head that had McCarthy ranked at or near the top of the 2023 class. I can also name a couple experts that had Maye near the bottom. The Giants may have viewed it as a three QB class, but the Giants have proven to not know a damn thing about quarterbacks.

Well, Schoen and Daboll haven't drafted one, unless you count Josh Allen
Don't be such a pessimist

and tell us which all world QB you would have picked at 6 instead of Nabers??? Your refusal to do so tell us that you know there was no QB worthy of the 6 pick.

I've stopped listening to "its a great class!".... "soft class!" etc. All it takes is the right guy.

2018 was supposed to be amazing, and until Darnolds resurgence this year...it was the 2 lesser "rated" QBs who had success..Allen & Jackson.

The late first/2nd round picks in 2020, Jordan Love and Jalen Hurts, have outperformed the top 10 locks of Tua & Herbert to me...

There's no exact science and there are a TON of misses. But idc about what execs think of the class, somehow...someway....pick the right one.

McCarthy and Daniels were shooting up draft charts unless Ewers, Beck, Aller,Dart,and Milroe blow it up over the last 3 or 4 games and playoffs which is possible, they are not making a case to go top 10.
Honestly that might be the best for the Giants they might have the opportunity to take one of those guys at 8-12.

Williams, Daniels, Maye, Penix went top 10 with McCarthy just there at and too!

That said there’s a large crop here and really good talent still.

You can find your QB you like if there’s enough of a pool to choose from.

Schoen should trade for Anthony Richardson. If it works you prove your ability to scout and coach, all while rostering the most athletic QB of all time. If it doesn't work then you get fired, but that's likely to happen in 2-4 years on the back of a less athletic, middling QB anyway. Swing for the fences and get an actual comp to Josh Allen in ARich.

In comment 16666278 larryflower37 said:

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McCarthy and Daniels were shooting up draft charts unless Ewers, Beck, Aller,Dart,and Milroe blow it up over the last 3 or 4 games and playoffs which is possible, they are not making a case to go top 10. Honestly that might be the best for the Giants they might have the opportunity to take one of those guys at 8-12.

McCarthy didn’t shoot up draft boards until after the combine and several draft experts still had many reservations about him going in the first round.

QB rankings from past years and look to where they’re drafted and how they were graded between then and the draft. Usually it’s completely different after the combine, meetings and pro days.

Last year people who didn't want to draft a QB were saying you can't draft "QB4". That's dumb. QB4 in 2024 might have been QB1 in 2025.

The argument in the OP is equally dumb. Jayden Daniels being good doesn't make it more likely that JJ McCarthy is good.

I wanted a QB last year but it seems very likely that we will have access to similar level prospects in 25 as we did in 24. Which of those prospects will be good? Nobody knows.

Also, a component of the pro-QB argument for 2024 was that we probably won't be drafting this high in 2025. I'm sure I made that argument myself. That piece seems to be OBE at this point.

In comment 16666291 DeVito32 said:

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QB rankings from past years and look to where they’re drafted and how they were graded between then and the draft. Usually it’s completely different after the combine, meetings and pro days.

This is a fact.
It's amazing how much changes in such a short amount of time.

In comment 16666276 Jacobs #27 said:

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and tell us which all world QB you would have picked at 6 instead of Nabers??? Your refusal to do so tell us that you know there was no QB worthy of the 6 pick.

I must have said a thousand times that I'd have drafted Penix. If we had I think we'd be sitting at 4-4 or better right now, let alone what it would mean for the future.

But I'd have drafted any of Penix, McCarthy, Nix, Latu, Murphy, Verse, Latham, or Fashanu over Nabers.

In comment 16666245 ajr2456 said:

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They need to add two QBs to the QB room this spring. That wouldn’t be the case if they signed someone like Jameis to a two year deal.

Correct. "Don't force the QB pick" a GM gets 4 years to draft one, and they're entering year 4. At least Schoen is. Even if you add a vet this offseason you need to take one.

1) Up until our pick if we were taking a QB we were taking JJM. There were absolutely no rumors on Penix or Nix.

2) We have no idea what JJM is going to be since he tore his ACL. The Way Darnold is playing, I highly doubt they won’t try to re-sign him so we might not know how well he’ll play once he does get a shot.

3) Penix hasn’t taken a snap yet. We know nothing about how well he’ll do.

4) Nix is playing well.

People are getting up in arms about the 2025 QB draft class. Maybe none of them are not in Caleb, Daniels and Mayes class. But we weren’t getting them anyway. There’s a lot of prospects in this draft that will be rated higher than JJM, Penix or Nix. A lot can change from now until then.

In comment 16666276 Jacobs #27 said:

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and tell us which all world QB you would have picked at 6 instead of Nabers??? Your refusal to do so tell us that you know there was no QB worthy of the 6 pick.

Any one of McCarthy, Penix or Nix.

Another thing you could see from miles away: fans rationalizing the 2025 QB class once the Giants didn't take one in 2024. And if the Giants don't take one in 2025, that tune will change to "well the class wasn't that good anyway".

The Giants should take two quarterbacks in this upcoming draft. It doesn't mean it was smart to take Nabers in 2024; it wasn't.

In comment 16666310 Go Terps said:

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Another thing you could see from miles away: fans rationalizing the 2025 QB class once the Giants didn't take one in 2024. And if the Giants don't take one in 2025, that tune will change to "well the class wasn't that good anyway". The Giants should take two quarterbacks in this upcoming draft. It doesn't mean it was smart to take Nabers in 2024; it wasn't.

No offense, but we dont know if it is true or not to take Nabers. If we take a War or Sanders or whoeveer and they become a very good QB and Nabers becomes a stud number 1... we will be in great position.

And we still dont know about the 3 QBs after Nabers. Penix and McCarthy havent played. And I am slowing my roll on Nix. I remember a QB in 2019 having some very good games against shitty defenses and we are seeing how that turned out.

I guess that settles it! Don't draft any position that "isn't as strong as the prior season." NEVER. Just ignore any player because hey, the class isn't as good.

Of course this is an exaggeration. Just because there aren't 4-5 first round QBs with a 80+ grade doesn't mean you can't find a 80+ graded QB in this coming draft. Maybe there are only 2-3. Maybe one of them is even better than the guy you considered drafted last year.

I know I know...brutally hard concept to get behind. Try.

Didn't this place say 1000 times now you should draft a QB every year anyway? So I guess that goes out the window if some guys says the class isn't as deep.

NYG wasn't getting the elite QB last April. They tried. They couldn't. Not even sure I'd love Maye anyway but they tried. Don't tell me this next class can't measure up to the likes of JJM, Nix and even Penix. I don't buy that for one second.

In comment 16666317 djm said:

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I guess that settles it! Don't draft any position that "isn't as strong as the prior season." NEVER. Just ignore any player because hey, the class isn't as good. Of course this is an exaggeration. Just because there aren't 4-5 first round QBs with a 80+ grade doesn't mean you can't find a 80+ graded QB in this coming draft. Maybe there are only 2-3. Maybe one of them is even better than the guy you considered drafted last year. I know I know...brutally hard concept to get behind. Try. Didn't this place say 1000 times now you should draft a QB every year anyway? So I guess that goes out the window if some guys says the class isn't as deep. NYG wasn't getting the elite QB last April. They tried. They couldn't. Not even sure I'd love Maye anyway but they tried. Don't tell me this next class can't measure up to the likes of JJM, Nix and even Penix. I don't buy that for one second.

I just said The Giants should draft TWO QBs in this upcoming draft.

"They tried to trade for Maye" is unbelievably lame.

If the Giants drafted Penix, their record would probably be 1-7 and he'd be making his debut on Sunday. Which would be very exciting.

to get a top-3 pick. There are usually 1 or 2 QBs whose talent is so obvious that they are ‘must picks’. Chances are that we’re not getting those anyhow so having a draft like this (no consensus top QB) isn’t the worst thing. There should be plenty of non-QBs drafted ahead of us and QB talent available in the top half of the draft.

Playing in the northeast we really need to find someone with big hands and a great arm. I’m not sure there will be a Pennix-level option but hopefully someone close. And if we struggle with a rookie there’s a chance we end up in an Arizona situation

In comment 16666303 DeVito32 said:

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1) Up until our pick if we were taking a QB we were taking JJM. There were absolutely no rumors on Penix or Nix. 2) We have no idea what JJM is going to be since he tore his ACL. The Way Darnold is playing, I highly doubt they won’t try to re-sign him so we might not know how well he’ll play once he does get a shot. 3) Penix hasn’t taken a snap yet. We know nothing about how well he’ll do. 4) Nix is playing well. People are getting up in arms about the 2025 QB draft class. Maybe none of them are not in Caleb, Daniels and Mayes class. But we weren’t getting them anyway. There’s a lot of prospects in this draft that will be rated higher than JJM, Penix or Nix. A lot can change from now until then.

This ^

The top three in 2024 are what is driving this report from Yates. But there was no way any of those top three teams were trading their lottery tickets to the Giants. Penix is in the elite class and was probably the smart pick for the Giants, but his injury history was a reasonable red flag. It may very well turn out to be another massive blunder by Schoen.

But there could be at least four quarterbacks and maybe more coming out in 2025 that will be graded as high or higher than JJM and Nix. The Giants simply have to get one of them on day one. But that isn't sufficient. The quarterback ROOM also needs to be elevated. So Schoen, or preferably his replacement, needs to also sign a quality vet that can win games in the NFL (Garoppolo, Wentz, Winston, etc) and draft a developmental quarterback on day three. And the 2025 cap hit of the entire quarterback room should be less than half of what DJ's is in 2024.

Remember, closing the door on the DJ Era will in itself elevate the entire team and bring a level of pent up hope in that locker room not seen in a decade.

In comment 16666310 Go Terps said:

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Another thing you could see from miles away: fans rationalizing the 2025 QB class once the Giants didn't take one in 2024. And if the Giants don't take one in 2025, that tune will change to "well the class wasn't that good anyway". The Giants should take two quarterbacks in this upcoming draft. It doesn't mean it was smart to take Nabers in 2024; it wasn't.

I can agree with this for sure. Take a QB in round 1, and then another in 3 or 4.

They'll be QBs in the first round that can help us. We need to scout and get the right one. There isn't a consensus #1 in 2025, but I think there will be multiple with similar grades to the QBs we had a shot at in 2024; Penis, Nix, JJ.

If we don't take a QB, it will be a joke.

Nobody knows jack shit how these QBs will perform in the pros. Everybody’s an expert now.

In comment 16666303 DeVito32 said:

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1) Up until our pick if we were taking a QB we were taking JJM. There were absolutely no rumors on Penix or Nix. 2) We have no idea what JJM is going to be since he tore his ACL. The Way Darnold is playing, I highly doubt they won’t try to re-sign him so we might not know how well he’ll play once he does get a shot. 3) Penix hasn’t taken a snap yet. We know nothing about how well he’ll do. 4) Nix is playing well. People are getting up in arms about the 2025 QB draft class. Maybe none of them are not in Caleb, Daniels and Mayes class. But we weren’t getting them anyway. There’s a lot of prospects in this draft that will be rated higher than JJM, Penix or Nix. A lot can change from now until then.

+1. Some people like to set up arguments months in advance, so they can continue to bitch about the organization.

Nabers is water under the bridge. He's on the team, and should help the QB we draft in March. A QB that will be appropriately graded to where we are drafting. Or we trade up and get our guy.

In comment 16666337 IchabodGiant said:

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In comment 16666310 Go Terps said: Quote: Another thing you could see from miles away: fans rationalizing the 2025 QB class once the Giants didn't take one in 2024. And if the Giants don't take one in 2025, that tune will change to "well the class wasn't that good anyway". The Giants should take two quarterbacks in this upcoming draft. It doesn't mean it was smart to take Nabers in 2024; it wasn't. I can agree with this for sure. Take a QB in round 1, and then another in 3 or 4. They'll be QBs in the first round that can help us. We need to scout and get the right one. There isn't a consensus #1 in 2025, but I think there will be multiple with similar grades to the QBs we had a shot at in 2024; Penis, Nix, JJ. If we don't take a QB, it will be a joke.

The problem is there's no reason to trust the Giants' grades on QBs. These are the same people that paid Daniel Jones.

They aren't going to draft two QBs. They may not even draft one. Is there a QB in this draft worthy of their full bloom love? Because that's what it's going to take.

Took a WR in a QB draft and are going to take a QB in a draft when they may have a shot at an even better WR

Plenty of NFL-caliber talent.

Stop the nonsense comments as if Paintin' Manning isn't sitting there for us to draft.

Find a guy or two with some plus skills and draft him. Enough fkin' already.

In comment 16666343 Go Terps said:

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In comment 16666337 IchabodGiant said: Quote: In comment 16666310 Go Terps said: Quote: Another thing you could see from miles away: fans rationalizing the 2025 QB class once the Giants didn't take one in 2024. And if the Giants don't take one in 2025, that tune will change to "well the class wasn't that good anyway". The Giants should take two quarterbacks in this upcoming draft. It doesn't mean it was smart to take Nabers in 2024; it wasn't. I can agree with this for sure. Take a QB in round 1, and then another in 3 or 4. They'll be QBs in the first round that can help us. We need to scout and get the right one. There isn't a consensus #1 in 2025, but I think there will be multiple with similar grades to the QBs we had a shot at in 2024; Penis, Nix, JJ. If we don't take a QB, it will be a joke. The problem is there's no reason to trust the Giants' grades on QBs. These are the same people that paid Daniel Jones. They aren't going to draft two QBs. They may not even draft one. Is there a QB in this draft worthy of their full bloom love? Because that's what it's going to take.

Not having trust in the organization is an extremely valid point. The homer in me (what's left of it) is hoping for the best.

It will be a crime if our QB room doesn't have at least 2 new faces.

In comment 16666285 battttles said:

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Schoen should trade for Anthony Richardson. If it works you prove your ability to scout and coach, all while rostering the most athletic QB of all time. If it doesn't work then you get fired, but that's likely to happen in 2-4 years on the back of a less athletic, middling QB anyway. Swing for the fences and get an actual comp to Josh Allen in ARich.

I agree with that, trade a day 2/3 pick for him and then draft one in 2025.

In comment 16666267 Go Terps said:

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...it's almost like you could see this coming back in April. Sy's exact words were, "Advance scouting is a real thing."

April? I was saying it in February/March.

Going back to before this past draft

This isn’t new

And even better news, its just as strong if not better than past years WRs

In comment 16666359 HardTruth said:

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Going back to before this past draft This isn’t new And even better news, its just as strong if not better than past years WRs

Yup. Another thing Sy said back in April.

But are there any DAWGs in this draft?

or anyone else we have at QB. I suspect it won't belong vefore McCarthy and Penix are as well.

I've seen a few themes from Giants fans since the draft.

1) Many completely dismiss Nix, McCarthy and Penix as prospects.

2) Many still view Schoen and Daboll as victims of Daniel Jones rather than the main drivers of his continued presence on this roster.

thats not a very high bar. The goal is to get a QB you can win consistently with and compete for SBs.

In comment 16666385 JT039 said:

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thats not a very high bar. The goal is to get a QB you can win consistently with and compete for SBs.

No one said that's the goal. Just illustrates the point though. A rookie 8 games in, and we're still spinning the Jones wheels.

Ok, but they're entering year 4. Take a thousand different roads to get here, you still end up here. Year 4 with no QB's on the roster. If they can't find 1 QB to draft early or late in a 4 year tenure then the Giants don't have the right guys.

Not playing DeVito right now leans into that as well too