Vacchiano: It would take something drastic to fire Daboll

Does anyone thini Schoen is firing him? They are close friends. He isn't doing it willingly. He'd have to be forced.

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High standards.

accurate is if they all have agreed that this season is about getting the young guys performing, fleshing out the keepers and letting JOnes go at the end of the year.

The worst part of 2022 is the notion that they just need to get healthy and play "smarter".. I was worried they might be looking at a reverse 2022- having a plus win loss back half of the season and that may still be their crazy thinking.

If we beat Washington and Carolina then we for sure stuck with Jones until the end. I can't believe I am saying this, as it is so not me, but I kind of hope Washington just owns us (at home) and we finally see the last vestige of Jones defense (he plays washington well) goes out the window..

Honestly, if Daboll keeps talking Jones up then he can go bye bye too. Tired of all of this bullshit..

I kind of want a defensive HC anyway..

In comment 16666516 Go Terps said:

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High standards.

Fiesty is usually labelled for a smaller opponent with a big attitude and loud bark, not exactly something you say about a winning or possibly winning football team.

I agree with you about this Washington game. If NYG wins then you are most likely looking at 4-6 at the bye and I'd doubt they'd even be sellers. Going 0-6 in the division and I think Mara (maybe with pressure from Tisch) would have a tough time not making big changes.

With a win Sunday you could see the equivalent of a DeVito mini run from last year and all of a sudden you've got NYG thinking they are in contention.

0-4, outscored 93-31 in four home games.

0-3, outscored 69-36 in three divisional games.

Feisty.

This feels like a Mara barometer game.

This organization does not want yet another HC.

2016-2024: 4 (not including Spags)
1983-2015: 5

5 in a decade after 5 over 42 years... yea, old school Mara does not want that to happen. I can't really blame him for not wanting to do that either.

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why would we not make the upgrades?

In comment 16666521 Sean said:

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This feels like a Mara barometer game.

Sounds about right since this story coming from Vacchiano sounds like a message to Daboll & Co. from ownership.

In comment 16666522 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:

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This organization does not want yet another HC. 2016-2024: 4 (not including Spags) 1983-2015: 5 5 in a decade after 5 over 42 years... yea, old school Mara does not want that to happen. I can't really blame him for not wanting to do that either.

33 year smh, you get the point though.

In comment 16666520 Go Terps said:

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0-4, outscored 93-31 in four home games. 0-3, outscored 69-36 in three divisional games. Feisty.

That is 'something drastic.' What more do they need?

it’s getting tiresome. Daboll going or staying is a distant second to who our next QB is and how soon he’s walking through the door.

Do fans really not know what 'feisty' is referring to?
The team is still playing hard. The context is simple: Coaches can lose a team when they are not winning, you don't tend to keep coaches where their team's roll over.

I am not saying to keep Daboll or not, nor am I defending him here. I just was a bit surprised that fans are having a difficult time with the term 'feisty' in the context that it was presented.

In comment 16666537 ChrisRick said:

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Do fans really not know what 'feisty' is referring to? The team is still playing hard. The context is simple: Coaches can lose a team when they are not winning, you don't tend to keep coaches where their team's roll over. I am not saying to keep Daboll or not, nor am I defending him here. I just was a bit surprised that fans are having a difficult time with the term 'feisty' in the context that it was presented.

I think the fans understand, we just hold our coaches/team/players to a higher standard than "they didn't quit, yay!".

vs WSH
vs CAR (Germany)
Bye
vs TB
at DAL
vs NO

It's hard in the NFL to go 2-15, need everything to deconstruct. It's easy to see 3-2 in the next five and NYG is 5-8 and right in line for 6-11 or 7-10. Everyone back including Jones and the injury to Andrew Thomas is the reason the front office thinks the season didn't go better.

It's so easy to see it playing out this way.

based on what exactly?

if things go well, we likely win the CAR game and that's it.

But I can't say I'm surprised.

Also, I don't care if they fired him and went elsewhere, but I want a leader. They haven't had a leader of a coach since Coughlin left. Even then, I feel like Reese and Co were letting him down with the horrid drafts. Daboll just does not prepare his team like winning coaches do. A new QB is surely welcoming, but my belief in the man leading this team is sorely low.

In comment 16666539 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:

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In comment 16666537 ChrisRick said: Quote: Do fans really not know what 'feisty' is referring to? The team is still playing hard. The context is simple: Coaches can lose a team when they are not winning, you don't tend to keep coaches where their team's roll over. I am not saying to keep Daboll or not, nor am I defending him here. I just was a bit surprised that fans are having a difficult time with the term 'feisty' in the context that it was presented. I think the fans understand, we just hold our coaches/team/players to a higher standard than "they didn't quit, yay!".

I don't think it was meant to be a 'standard'. I think it was meant as an observation that the team has not quit on Daboll. I imagine most teams examine how hard the team is playing for a coach that is losing. I don't see what the fuss is here.

In comment 16666516 Go Terps said:

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High standards.

Don't forget that Daniel Jones is fiery! It only took him 6 years, so let's give the rest of the guys some time.

Scoring no TDs at home
Letting Barkley run wild all over them
Swinging gate disaster humiliation

If they add Barkley part 2
No wins in the division

that should be enough, thats a disaster by any reasonable perspective

The feisty team with the fiery QB continues to fail on the football field.

In comment 16666537 ChrisRick said:

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Do fans really not know what 'feisty' is referring to? The team is still playing hard. The context is simple: Coaches can lose a team when they are not winning, you don't tend to keep coaches where their team's roll over. I am not saying to keep Daboll or not, nor am I defending him here. I just was a bit surprised that fans are having a difficult time with the term 'feisty' in the context that it was presented.

People know what feisty means. The point is it's bullshit.

I think this looks like a whole different team if you insert a quality QB who doesn't pull everything down.

In comment 16666553 UberAlias said:

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I think this looks like a whole different team if you insert a quality QB who doesn't pull everything down.

I'm not. There are obvious upgrades available. If we don't hire, e.g., Vrabel, then someone else might. And when we're looking for a new coach the following year the crop might not be as good. Similar to how some people see the QB search playing out last year versus this year.

In comment 16666553 UberAlias said:

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I think this looks like a whole different team if you insert a quality QB who doesn't pull everything down.

Daboll is part of the reason Jones is there, as well as part of the reason there is no viable backup.

Jones also isn't the reason the team got fisted in the home opener for the second year in a row, or the reason they've lost games two years in a row due to kicker mismanagement on the roster.

I helped build the Daniel Jones sucks bandwagon that everyone is currently on, and I'm telling you he is not the only problem with this team. The Giants are not well coached or well managed.

Something drastic like having a bottom five offense or being part of a group paying $100 million for a QB who can't throw touchdowns?

But I'm not going to cry if they if they stick with Daboll.

That's some serious back patting there. Go back and watch the reaction when DJ was drafted. It was the most infuriating draft pick for most of us.

at going 0-6 in our division. Nothing can be more damning than that in my opinion.

In comment 16666562 UberAlias said:

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That's some serious back patting there. Go back and watch the reaction when DJ was drafted. It was the most infuriating draft pick for most of us.

If I went back to the threads where he got paid would I find a lot of infuriated posters?

I didn't say that to pat myself on the back. I'm saying it because based on my criticism of him I'd be as motivated as anybody to pin it all on Jones.

Jones is awful - he's a middling backup in the NFL - but he isn't the only problem with this team.

In comment 16666554 Mike from SI said:

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In comment 16666553 UberAlias said: Quote: I think this looks like a whole different team if you insert a quality QB who doesn't pull everything down. I'm not. There are obvious upgrades available. If we don't hire, e.g., Vrabel, then someone else might. And when we're looking for a new coach the following year the crop might not be as good. Similar to how some people see the QB search playing out last year versus this year.

The QB argument is kind of funny because it ignores the fact that the three elite QB prospects were off the table. That said, if they look to upgrade and go after someone else, I'm all for it. I'm not arguing that Daboll needs to stay.

In comment 16666552 Go Terps said:

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In comment 16666537 ChrisRick said: Quote: Do fans really not know what 'feisty' is referring to? The team is still playing hard. The context is simple: Coaches can lose a team when they are not winning, you don't tend to keep coaches where their team's roll over. I am not saying to keep Daboll or not, nor am I defending him here. I just was a bit surprised that fans are having a difficult time with the term 'feisty' in the context that it was presented. People know what feisty means. The point is it's bullshit.

For fucks sakes, I am agreeing with you again ;)!

Thanks for the Fiesty clarification and let me be more clear- I don't give a FUCK.. This team was S T D Monday night- Stupid, Timid and Depressed (or Depressing).

BTW- Pittsburgh is that great of team and Wilson wasn't great a number of times and yet was light years better than what we had.

This is a barometer game for one single reason, one single John Wayne holding on by a root over the edge of Cliff reason (for Mara) and that is this:

Jones:
68 games played he has 68 TD Passes

8 games against Washington he has 12 TDs

Other 60 games he has 56 TD passes That is less than 1 TD pass per game.

Against Washington- 1.5 TD passes per game

Jones has 24 total wins and 5 of those have come against Washington..

If Jones struggles here, against Washington and at home it will be the last glimmer of hope some are holding on to.

Let's see how Davoli and the team respond, because those are two different tracks when things start go off the rails.

This means nada on 10/30.

In comment 16666566 Go Terps said:

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In comment 16666562 UberAlias said: Quote: That's some serious back patting there. Go back and watch the reaction when DJ was drafted. It was the most infuriating draft pick for most of us. If I went back to the threads where he got paid would I find a lot of infuriated posters? I didn't say that to pat myself on the back. I'm saying it because based on my criticism of him I'd be as motivated as anybody to pin it all on Jones. Jones is awful - he's a middling backup in the NFL - but he isn't the only problem with this team.

Fair enough. And you're right, he's not the only problem.

There will be probability 7+ openings.

Some of them will come with QBs (possibly Chicago and Cincinnati)

Most of them will come with more job security (the Giants will have fired 5 coaches in 10 years.)

Some of them will have offers of total control for a guy like Vrabel

Few of them will come with a potential lame duck GM, which the Giants might have

Few of them will have a team owner as the unfireable Director of Player Personnel (along with all the other dumb Mara friends and family who just want to hang out with the team)

It's a very unattractive job. We will be looking at lower end retreads (McCarthy types) and coordinators who have been passed over for the last few cycles.

In comment 16666574 Jerry in_DC said:

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It's a very unattractive job. We will be looking at lower end retreads (McCarthy types) and coordinators who have been passed over for the last few cycles.

I completely agree with this. I actually think McCarthy is one of the favorites to be the next coach.

That won't blow anyone's hair back, but he'd be a better match for this team than Daboll. I don't think the Giants are where you go to learn how to become a head coach.

It might placate Mara to have a yes man, but what he *needs* is someone to lead the football department.

In comment 16666523 Jints in Carolina said:

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I was going to say 3-14, but I'm an optimist.

In comment 16666577 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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It might placate Mara to have a yes man, but what he *needs* is someone to lead the football department.

Mara does not make decisions on what the team "needs." If it did he would have hired an SVP of Football Operations and removed himself from all football related decisions based on his abjectly horrible record.

Mara will make decisions the way he always has - looking at fan reaction.

Don't lose the locker room or become an embarrassment at the podium.

Feels like it always back fires when they let stuff like this leak through their mouthpieces. I've argued in the past they should publicly back their guy but I've wavered on that. Maybe say nothing and just see how Daboll responds to the adversity.

If they stick with Jones than the "drastic" will happen yet again. Start DeVito already.

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And then they fired him.

In comment 16666601 jeff57 said:

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And then they fired him.

Yep. It could go down that way, can't rule out yet.

In comment 16666601 jeff57 said:

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And then they fired him.

This is true, however, Daboll is a playoff coach and former coach of the year. Judge didn't sniff the success Daboll has had here. I think that buys him enough time with Mara. (Not saying I agree with him)

Certainly feels like the organization is giving Schoen and Daboll a pass based on Jones and they get to reboot the reboot next off season.

Some people excuse Daboll on the basis that he has been stuck with Jones at QB. Not certain how that explains the failure to develop a competent OL and the lack of a DL to complement Lawrence. The continued mental mistakes by his players and countless penalties and failure to execute. The failure to stop the run or defend the pass at critical times. The failure to have a kicker available when the red flags could not have been any larger. The turnover in his coaching staff after two years. He picks the team and he is included in the evaluation process with the GM of potential draft choices and free agents. He picks his assistant coaches. It's all part of the job.

I would not fire the guy yet, but being "stuck" with Jones at QB is no excuse for the performance of this team overall.

keeping Schoen and Daboll on. Replace Jones with a QB Daboll can develop and let’s go.