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| But it really would take something drastic to change his mind, according to sources inside the organization. Maybe if they don't win another game, or players start revolting, or Daboll's press conferences just go off the rails — something like that. His team is feisty, though, so the odds are good he's not going anywhere. But stranger things have happened to this organization in the last 13 years. |
The team is still playing hard. The context is simple: Coaches can lose a team when they are not winning, you don't tend to keep coaches where their team's roll over.
I am not saying to keep Daboll or not, nor am I defending him here. I just was a bit surprised that fans are having a difficult time with the term 'feisty' in the context that it was presented.
Saved me from saying it. You are precisely correct.
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and of course Mara stinks.
That's actually a reasonable conclusion.
But Daboll stinks less than the others because he coached the team to the playoffs in 2022 with Gettleman's roster.
The more Schoen has put his fingerprints on the roster, the poorer the team has performed. Did Daboll suddenly forget how to coach or are we seeing the impact of Schoen putting together his roster?
More the undeniable and inevitable fall back to earth of our current QB after an aberrant 2022 season.
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In comment 16666619 Arnie D. said:
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keeping Schoen and Daboll on. Replace Jones with a QB Daboll can develop and let’s go.
glad to see a fan who gets it. sign of intelligence is refreshing to see.
this constant change shit needs to stop.
What needs to stop is the constant hiring of unqualified people.
are you dumb, do you not get the message?
2.5 years is not enough body of work to make that evaluation.
cut the shit.
Simply put, if this team was locked into a bidding war for a big time HC in the off-season, now or in 25-26-27, against the likes of Dallas or Philly? I think we'd lose out. If Belichick told teams he would go to the highest bidder, we lose out.
Just my take. I don't have an ax to grind with Mara nor do I want to get into a debate. I just don't think we can hang with the big boys at times. And it shows. This isn't about the cap.
We’re supposed to give up on this so that idiot Mara can grope his way to another GM hire?
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In comment 16667258 Rory said:
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In comment 16666619 Arnie D. said:
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keeping Schoen and Daboll on. Replace Jones with a QB Daboll can develop and let’s go.
glad to see a fan who gets it. sign of intelligence is refreshing to see.
this constant change shit needs to stop.
What needs to stop is the constant hiring of unqualified people.
are you dumb, do you not get the message?
2.5 years is not enough body of work to make that evaluation.
cut the shit.
I get the message, it's just that when you're the one delivering it it sort of invalidates the whole premise.
Agree. That said, the elite and consistently excellent teams *all have misses*.
The 49ers whiffed on Lance. Belichick could fill a dumpster with failed offensive players and Mac Jones. The Ravens miss on WRs left and right. The Chiefs totally missed on their entire offensive line a few years ago.
Its just like the team on the field. One miss or drop is received like the world is ending because they cannot score points, so they dont win games.
It just goes back to not being able to throw the football.
I'll add also that it's telling that Barkley and McKinney are doing so well in their new destinations. I didn't want either guy back, but what does it say that their utilization has gone through the roof now that they've left the Giants?
I'll add also that it's telling that Barkley and McKinney are doing so well in their new destinations. I didn't want either guy back, but what does it say that their utilization has gone through the roof now that they've left the Giants?
They aren't the ones that are telling. Bobby Johnson, Ben Bredeson, those two are much more telling.
Who know what Mara thinks at any point in time? This is an owner who said on 1/16/23 that "We're back!".
In their very next 10 quarters of football, the team was outscored 98-7.
And to emphasize the point about Mara, "WE'RE BACK!" was his exclamation after winning a WILD CARD game. Not the Super Bowl. Not the NFC Championship Game. Wild Card.
I'll add also that it's telling that Barkley and McKinney are doing so well in their new destinations. I didn't want either guy back, but what does it say that their utilization has gone through the roof now that they've left the Giants?
Two of our better players that wanted to be paid more than the Giants were willing are playing well in their new homes?
I think it says, "not really a surprise" to most. Does it say something else to you?
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I just never come away from Giants games feeling "this team is well coached". The entire operation feels shaky - I don't have faith that they're communicating well, that they're prepared from a roster standpoint, or that they have a full understanding of clock and timeout management.
I'll add also that it's telling that Barkley and McKinney are doing so well in their new destinations. I didn't want either guy back, but what does it say that their utilization has gone through the roof now that they've left the Giants?
Two of our better players that wanted to be paid more than the Giants were willing are playing well in their new homes?
I think it says, "not really a surprise" to most. Does it say something else to you?
It tells me they weren't well utilized while they were here.
They both may be more congenial than their predecessors, but posterity will ultimately show that Schoen is no better and may actually be worse than Gettleman, and Daboll is no better than McAdoo/Shurmur/Judge. There is zero need for patience when it is crystal clear what the problem is. And now, after six years of hearing that the quarterback could not be evaluated properly because he was limited by his coaches, weapons and OL, we are hearing that the GM and Head Coach can't be evaluated properly because they are limited by their quarterback! The very quarterback for whom they themselves insanely committed! It was crystal clear who DJ was before he was drafted. He is exactly who he always was. There was never a need for patience to evaluate DJ. It was pure delusion from the start. And likewise, it is crystal clear right now that Schoen and Daboll will not be leading this franchise to the promised land. No further data needed.
Disparaging people who have been off these two guys since the DJ contract is gaslighting of the highest order. Why? Because the decision making apparatus of this ownership now goes beyond the traditional definition of insanity of doing the same things over and over again and expecting different results. It has now evolved to this ownership knowing with certainty that what they're doing is completely idiotic, but still, somehow, they just can't stop doing it.
Patience for the sake of patience rather than accepting the blinding insight of the utter obvious is one of the dumbest takes I have ever seen on this site. Patience is not a virtue in this sport, it is just subterfuge for concealing incompetence. Delusion, denial and self-preservation are nothing more than the three headed Cerberus that keeps this franchise trapped in NFL hell.
Xavier played every down at Safety last year for NYG. Is he playing somewhere else for Green Bay?
I'll add also that it's telling that Barkley and McKinney are doing so well in their new destinations. I didn't want either guy back, but what does it say that their utilization has gone through the roof now that they've left the Giants?
Absolute no-shows on opening night for 2 straight seasons is exhibit A. I get it, practice time pre-season is limited, but every other team is subject to the same rules
Kevin O’Connell with the Vikes was basically mocking the Giants after our week 1 no show this year, about how his team was better prepared and in better shape
What's drastic about a year that's been as consistent and equal as the past 6 years?