ESPN Advanced Analytics rates Nabers a 99 in their open rate analysis, number two is Diggs with an 83 rating. The disparity is almost unbelievable. It's so discouraging the Giants have such a bad offense with such a unique player.
Richie James had a good open rate when he was with the team in 2022. It's the scheme. That said, Nabers is legit no matter what scheme it is. He's going to be elite once he cleans up the drops.
And more importantly has a QB who can not just throw the ball at him, but throw him open and put the passes in a place where he can get YAC. Same for Wan’Dale.
Richie James had a good open rate when he was with the team in 2022. It's the scheme. That said, Nabers is legit no matter what scheme it is. He's going to be elite once he cleans up the drops
James ranked favorably with 2024 Robinson, with a 65 and 61 respective rating.
Nabers rating at a 99 ties him for the best open rating among all receivers in the 8 years they've been scoring this.
Richie James had a good open rate when he was with the team in 2022. It's the scheme. That said, Nabers is legit no matter what scheme it is. He's going to be elite once he cleans up the drops.
And more importantly has a QB who can not just throw the ball at him, but throw him open and put the passes in a place where he can get YAC. Same for Wan’Dale.
Both are top 20 in YAC this year. and thats with Nabers missing 2 games.
He is getting frustrated with DJ's lack of production and his mostly crappy and late throws. There is trouble ahead as long as Jones continues to start and suck . You can't be a weapon when your QB cannot make the throws . There will be a sideline outburst soon .
whoever that may be. Looking on the plus side, maybe this is what it will take to finally move on and get a new QB.
Not for nothing, and clearly Jones isn't the answer, but he's getting Nabers the ball. It's not like he's not getting catches and opportunities.
He’s definitely targeting him, but if they aren’t smart throws, too late, too early, etc than what good are they? How many errant when he’s open down field?
I hear you, but throwing the ball down the field hasn't been an issue with Slayton. Maybe it's not all on Jones? And I get it, Jones has his issue aplenty, but Nabers shares the blame as well, whether it be drops, he's slipping, or he doesn't accelerate on the route.
If he had dropped 1 fewer ball, he'd be at 5.5%. 2 fewer and he'd be below league average at 4.1%.
Basically he is 1.5 drops above average over the course of 6 games. Which you'd like to do better but really doesn't make that much of a difference in the big picture.
If he had dropped 1 fewer ball, he'd be at 5.5%. 2 fewer and he'd be below league average at 4.1%.
Basically he is 1.5 drops above average over the course of 6 games. Which you'd like to do better but really doesn't make that much of a difference in the big picture.
nabers is fantastic, but please do not excuse the drops it has cost us probably two games already. He is excellent, but if the drops continue it is a problem. He is a rookie and I am sure he will get better at it though.
average WR. If he was a mid-round pick without the expectations, it might be more understandable. He is supposed to be a great player and he is being paid to be. There are expectations that come with that.
I’m not sure what the motivation is to excuse the drops. He’s had killer drops in the 4th Q of 3 tight games that all resulted in an L.
It is what it is. Those plays need to be made if you want to be a winner.
are both in the top 5 of WRs targeted, but they are not productive to match. Now, I love Nabers and think he is an outstanding WR and a true #1. But, we aren't getting him the ball in position to do as much damage as he can. Of course both Nabers and Robinson have some drops, which factors in. But, both are not having great YAC or YPC. In contrast, Slayton shows more productivity in his total targets.
I would like to see this trio next year with a better QB and hopefully new OC.
Like I said, he's dropped 1-2 passes too many. But in general fans really overstate drops.
Almost every good receiver has a 3-7 % drop rate.
No, but the guy is a rookie, and going to make mistakes, and instead of just piling on Jones because it's really easy to do, can't we just say he's made some rookie mistakes as well? I certainly don't expect 0 drops, but he hasn't been flawless either.
Nabers has a 50% contested target catch rate, so he's making up for balls he should have caught in some part by catching those he shouldn't have. He has an acceptable +60% catch rate. It's not great, but it's coming out in the wash.
Nabers has a 50% contested target catch rate, so he's making up for balls he should have caught in some part by catching those he shouldn't have. He has an acceptable +60% catch rate. It's not great, but it's coming out in the wash.
This. Nabers has had some bad drops but he’s also saved Jones’ ass on several bad throws
If he had dropped 1 fewer ball, he'd be at 5.5%. 2 fewer and he'd be below league average at 4.1%.
Basically he is 1.5 drops above average over the course of 6 games. Which you'd like to do better but really doesn't make that much of a difference in the big picture.
nabers is fantastic, but please do not excuse the drops it has cost us probably two games already. He is excellent, but if the drops continue it is a problem. He is a rookie and I am sure he will get better at it though.
The drops will be reduced when there is a QB getting the ball out on time and placing it where it needs to be. The drops are catchable balls, but much like the one at the end of the Steeler game, he is running full speed and has to stop and bend down to catch a ball that should be thrown in front of him.
Nabers own most of the blame, but those drops are not happening in a vacuum. There is a reason that it seems all the Giants WRs have drop problems since Jones got here.
Like I said, he's dropped 1-2 passes too many. But in general fans really overstate drops.
Almost every good receiver has a 3-7 % drop rate.
No, but the guy is a rookie, and going to make mistakes, and instead of just piling on Jones because it's really easy to do, can't we just say he's made some rookie mistakes as well? I certainly don't expect 0 drops, but he hasn't been flawless either.
If he had dropped 1 fewer ball, he'd be at 5.5%. 2 fewer and he'd be below league average at 4.1%.
Basically he is 1.5 drops above average over the course of 6 games. Which you'd like to do better but really doesn't make that much of a difference in the big picture.
nabers is fantastic, but please do not excuse the drops it has cost us probably two games already. He is excellent, but if the drops continue it is a problem. He is a rookie and I am sure he will get better at it though.
The drops will be reduced when there is a QB getting the ball out on time and placing it where it needs to be. The drops are catchable balls, but much like the one at the end of the Steeler game, he is running full speed and has to stop and bend down to catch a ball that should be thrown in front of him.
Nabers own most of the blame, but those drops are not happening in a vacuum. There is a reason that it seems all the Giants WRs have drop problems since Jones got here.
The two drops he has that were the bad ones was the one in Washington. That was a really good ball and the fade last week that was thrown perfectly.
But your other points are true. He makes plays and drops will happne from time to time.
Plus he is a rookie so he isnt goingto perfect. Nabers is part of the solution so far.
The one thing I will disagree is Wan'dale. He has dropped some really good throws and I thought he would be much better. He probably does need a better QB, but hes been pretty disappointing overall.
If they are going to burn targets throwing the ball 3 yards down the field, those should go to Tracy. Robinson is totally miscast and wasted. He gets rag dolled so easily.
He is getting frustrated with DJ's lack of production and his mostly crappy and late throws. There is trouble ahead as long as Jones continues to start and suck . You can't be a weapon when your QB cannot make the throws . There will be a sideline outburst soon.
Didn't he drop a deep sideline pass Monday night? I also thought he could have come down with both feet in bounds on the end zone pass. I've seen many a good receiver make that a TD. Think a Lamb, Brown or Jefferson, among some others gets their toes in. Wasn't he the one who had the TD called back because of false start?
I think he has to clean up his own act before he starts getting mad at anyone else.
Like I said, he's dropped 1-2 passes too many. But in general fans really overstate drops.
Almost every good receiver has a 3-7 % drop rate.
No, but the guy is a rookie, and going to make mistakes, and instead of just piling on Jones because it's really easy to do, can't we just say he's made some rookie mistakes as well? I certainly don't expect 0 drops, but he hasn't been flawless either.
Sure, go ahead. If it makes you feel better.
Ok, we'll wait for the rookie QB to come in next year, and I'm sure his production will skyrocket...
Like I said, he's dropped 1-2 passes too many. But in general fans really overstate drops.
Almost every good receiver has a 3-7 % drop rate.
No, but the guy is a rookie, and going to make mistakes, and instead of just piling on Jones because it's really easy to do, can't we just say he's made some rookie mistakes as well? I certainly don't expect 0 drops, but he hasn't been flawless either.
Sure, go ahead. If it makes you feel better.
Ok, we'll wait for the rookie QB to come in next year, and I'm sure his production will skyrocket...
Don't you want it to?
Or would you feel better if it doesn't so you can say "See, you all were too hard on Daniel Jones".
the most accurate thrower. But "frustration" works both ways and perhaps Nabers is also frustrated that he drops very catchable balls every game. No doubt Jones is late or behind on some of his throws. He is only at 62.6% completion percentage - not good.
If Nabers wasn't being targeted, yes he would have a right to be upset. But he is getting 10-13 looks every game. So perhaps he should work on not dropping very catchable passes.
We'll never know what Nabers can be until the Giants have a QB that throws with anticipation and can throw him open downfield. We do know he's killed the Giants in at least two games with drops. He dropped passes at LSU too. It's a problem.
He is getting frustrated with DJ's lack of production and his mostly crappy and late throws. There is trouble ahead as long as Jones continues to start and suck . You can't be a weapon when your QB cannot make the throws . There will be a sideline outburst soon .
Agree with you 100%, but I cleaned you post up a bit..
"There is trouble ahead as long as Jones continues to start."
the most accurate thrower. But "frustration" works both ways and perhaps Nabers is also frustrated that he drops very catchable balls every game. No doubt Jones is late or behind on some of his throws. He is only at 62.6% completion percentage - not good.
If Nabers wasn't being targeted, yes he would have a right to be upset. But he is getting 10-13 looks every game. So perhaps he should work on not dropping very catchable passes.
It's not just completion % when we talk about Jones' accuracy. It's about where and when he places the ball on the WR. How many completions does he have a game where he throws behind the receiver or at their shins (and not in a scenario designed to throw it low and away from a defender) where the receiver needs to stop or reach back?This is the "throwing a guy open" conversation.
I get frustrated as Hell that we still have so many patterns run just short of the sticks on 3rd down. But, at the same time, they would often pick up a first down if they were executed properly. for example, we picked one up on 4th down to Nabers because Robinson did his job and Jones threw it out in front of Nabers. But, when we have a guy cutting on an in route or out route, for example, the WR is running away from a defender where a pass out in front allows him to continue in that direction and ahead of the defender. But, if the throw is right on the body or behind the WR has to slow, reach back, or twist/turn back toward the defender, allowing the defender to make a play after the catch.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: So do you guys expect zero drops?
Like I said, he's dropped 1-2 passes too many. But in general fans really overstate drops.
Almost every good receiver has a 3-7 % drop rate.
No, but the guy is a rookie, and going to make mistakes, and instead of just piling on Jones because it's really easy to do, can't we just say he's made some rookie mistakes as well? I certainly don't expect 0 drops, but he hasn't been flawless either.
Sure, go ahead. If it makes you feel better.
Ok, we'll wait for the rookie QB to come in next year, and I'm sure his production will skyrocket...
Don't you want it to?
Or would you feel better if it doesn't so you can say "See, you all were too hard on Daniel Jones".
I don't think anyone is arguing we need an upgrade from Jones, just don't expect some major shift in Nabers production with a rookie QB next year. Not hard to understand.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: So do you guys expect zero drops?
Like I said, he's dropped 1-2 passes too many. But in general fans really overstate drops.
Almost every good receiver has a 3-7 % drop rate.
No, but the guy is a rookie, and going to make mistakes, and instead of just piling on Jones because it's really easy to do, can't we just say he's made some rookie mistakes as well? I certainly don't expect 0 drops, but he hasn't been flawless either.
Sure, go ahead. If it makes you feel better.
Ok, we'll wait for the rookie QB to come in next year, and I'm sure his production will skyrocket...
Don't you want it to?
Or would you feel better if it doesn't so you can say "See, you all were too hard on Daniel Jones".
I don't think anyone is arguing we need an upgrade from Jones, just don't expect some major shift in Nabers production with a rookie QB next year. Not hard to understand.
Why not? IF we are drafting in the top of the draft, we should be drafting a better QB than Jones is right now.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: So do you guys expect zero drops?
Like I said, he's dropped 1-2 passes too many. But in general fans really overstate drops.
Almost every good receiver has a 3-7 % drop rate.
No, but the guy is a rookie, and going to make mistakes, and instead of just piling on Jones because it's really easy to do, can't we just say he's made some rookie mistakes as well? I certainly don't expect 0 drops, but he hasn't been flawless either.
Sure, go ahead. If it makes you feel better.
Ok, we'll wait for the rookie QB to come in next year, and I'm sure his production will skyrocket...
Don't you want it to?
Or would you feel better if it doesn't so you can say "See, you all were too hard on Daniel Jones".
I don't think anyone is arguing we need an upgrade from Jones, just don't expect some major shift in Nabers production with a rookie QB next year. Not hard to understand.
How short-sighted do you want to be here? Maybe next year there isn't much but in the years thereafter there is a major improvement as a rookie develops, whereas Jones hasn't.
Good lord.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: So do you guys expect zero drops?
Like I said, he's dropped 1-2 passes too many. But in general fans really overstate drops.
Almost every good receiver has a 3-7 % drop rate.
No, but the guy is a rookie, and going to make mistakes, and instead of just piling on Jones because it's really easy to do, can't we just say he's made some rookie mistakes as well? I certainly don't expect 0 drops, but he hasn't been flawless either.
Sure, go ahead. If it makes you feel better.
Ok, we'll wait for the rookie QB to come in next year, and I'm sure his production will skyrocket...
Don't you want it to?
Or would you feel better if it doesn't so you can say "See, you all were too hard on Daniel Jones".
I don't think anyone is arguing we need an upgrade from Jones, just don't expect some major shift in Nabers production with a rookie QB next year. Not hard to understand.
Why not? IF we are drafting in the top of the draft, we should be drafting a better QB than Jones is right now.
Because Jaden Daniels and CJ Stroud don't grow on trees, and even if they hit, it probably won't equate to better production next year. And to be clear, I'm all for doing that, Id just lower your expectations.
I'll blame Jones for just about anything but true drops are on the receiver. If we're using actual drops - as in the ones that are statistically recorded - they are pretty strict on what they call a drop.
On the QB - even if the next QB isn't good right way, I do think he will unleash some things in Nabers that we haven't seen much of yet. Jones is just so limited and conservative in the types of passes he can throw. I think Nabers has a lot of versatility and we will see him doing some exciting things with a QB who will just try stuff. With Jones we just so rarely see Nabers running onto deep balls, deep outs/corners, deep digs, catching long crossers at full speed, jump balls. Pretty much any other QB will give us more of that.
RE: RE: It’s going to be fun to see what the next guy can do with him
whoever that may be. Looking on the plus side, maybe this is what it will take to finally move on and get a new QB.
Not for nothing, and clearly Jones isn't the answer, but he's getting Nabers the ball. It's not like he's not getting catches and opportunities.
He's getting catches. The 'opportunity' part depends on the timing, accuracy, and location of the throw. Its been countless times hes getting the ball late when the defense has already reacted to the play.
But I think Nabers has my favorite overall skillset of any Giants WR I've seen. Better QB and cleaning up some little issues and he could be special.
Odell was the most naturally gifted WR I think I have ever seen. His hands, short area quickness, speed, cutting ability were all in the 99% percentile plus.
I like Nabers, but I think there is a noticeable gap between his skills and OBJs. He's looking more and more like a short to medium range WR than a "take it to the house" type.
But I think Nabers has my favorite overall skillset of any Giants WR I've seen. Better QB and cleaning up some little issues and he could be special.
Odell was the most naturally gifted WR I think I have ever seen. His hands, short area quickness, speed, cutting ability were all in the 99% percentile plus.
I like Nabers, but I think there is a noticeable gap between his skills and OBJs. He's looking more and more like a short to medium range WR than a "take it to the house" type.
This is also a timing thing. You get him a ball on a slant on time and he can run through a defense. There is no doubt in me about that. The throws have to be anticipatory. Right now they are reactive.
but I watch a lot of football, and I see guys like Jefferson, Hill, Lamb, Samuel, Olave, etc almost toying with corners at times and having no problem finding space.
But I think Nabers has my favorite overall skillset of any Giants WR I've seen. Better QB and cleaning up some little issues and he could be special.
Odell was the most naturally gifted WR I think I have ever seen. His hands, short area quickness, speed, cutting ability were all in the 99% percentile plus.
I like Nabers, but I think there is a noticeable gap between his skills and OBJs. He's looking more and more like a short to medium range WR than a "take it to the house" type.
I think this is very premature. The next time he is "thrown open", hit in stride, properly led, etc. will be the first. Monday night, there was a play where Nabers was lined up on the left side of the offense on the bottom of the screen. The camera catches him put a move on the CB at the line and freeze him. Rgith away I yelled he has Nabers, hoping it was a sideline route. Jones at least saw it, but made a bad throw. This is happening at a decent clip, but it isn't always caught on the TV broadcast. You have to hit on those.
Odell was the most naturally gifted WR I think I have ever seen. His hands, short area quickness, speed, cutting ability were all in the 99% percentile plus.
I like Nabers, but I think there is a noticeable gap between his skills and OBJs. He's looking more and more like a short to medium range WR than a "take it to the house" type.
I think this is very premature. The next time he is "thrown open", hit in stride, properly led, etc. will be the first. Monday night, there was a play where Nabers was lined up on the left side of the offense on the bottom of the screen. The camera catches him put a move on the CB at the line and freeze him. Rgith away I yelled he has Nabers, hoping it was a sideline route. Jones at least saw it, but made a bad throw. This is happening at a decent clip, but it isn't always caught on the TV broadcast. You have to hit on those.
There is merit in your position for sure. There are still unknowns without a more gifted QB to get Nabers the ball.
Odell was the most naturally gifted WR I think I have ever seen. His hands, short area quickness, speed, cutting ability were all in the 99% percentile plus.
I like Nabers, but I think there is a noticeable gap between his skills and OBJs. He's looking more and more like a short to medium range WR than a "take it to the house" type.
I think this is very premature. The next time he is "thrown open", hit in stride, properly led, etc. will be the first. Monday night, there was a play where Nabers was lined up on the left side of the offense on the bottom of the screen. The camera catches him put a move on the CB at the line and freeze him. Rgith away I yelled he has Nabers, hoping it was a sideline route. Jones at least saw it, but made a bad throw. This is happening at a decent clip, but it isn't always caught on the TV broadcast. You have to hit on those.
There is merit in your position for sure. There are still unknowns without a more gifted QB to get Nabers the ball.
It's not just Nabers. How many times a game does Jones cause any of the receivers to either full stop or turn back to catch, where they then get hit by the defender immediately instead of hitting the receive in stride so he can run away from the defender?
I think we will see a world of difference with these guys once a QB can recognize their target and hit him on time.
But I think Nabers has my favorite overall skillset of any Giants WR I've seen. Better QB and cleaning up some little issues and he could be special.
Odell was the most naturally gifted WR I think I have ever seen. His hands, short area quickness, speed, cutting ability were all in the 99% percentile plus.
I like Nabers, but I think there is a noticeable gap between his skills and OBJs. He's looking more and more like a short to medium range WR than a "take it to the house" type.
I think this is very premature. The next time he is "thrown open", hit in stride, properly led, etc. will be the first. Monday night, there was a play where Nabers was lined up on the left side of the offense on the bottom of the screen. The camera catches him put a move on the CB at the line and freeze him. Rgith away I yelled he has Nabers, hoping it was a sideline route. Jones at least saw it, but made a bad throw. This is happening at a decent clip, but it isn't always caught on the TV broadcast. You have to hit on those.
If you're referring to the long sideline throat to nabers, I thought he slowed down a bit which caused the overthrow.
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Jones sucks, this is it.
Richie James had a good open rate when he was with the team in 2022. It's the scheme. That said, Nabers is legit no matter what scheme it is. He's going to be elite once he cleans up the drops.
And more importantly has a QB who can not just throw the ball at him, but throw him open and put the passes in a place where he can get YAC. Same for Wan’Dale.
James ranked favorably with 2024 Robinson, with a 65 and 61 respective rating.
Nabers rating at a 99 ties him for the best open rating among all receivers in the 8 years they've been scoring this.
That's a terrible comparison.
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Jones sucks, this is it.
Richie James had a good open rate when he was with the team in 2022. It's the scheme. That said, Nabers is legit no matter what scheme it is. He's going to be elite once he cleans up the drops.
And more importantly has a QB who can not just throw the ball at him, but throw him open and put the passes in a place where he can get YAC. Same for Wan’Dale.
Both are top 20 in YAC this year. and thats with Nabers missing 2 games.
I think so too.
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whoever that may be. Looking on the plus side, maybe this is what it will take to finally move on and get a new QB.
Not for nothing, and clearly Jones isn't the answer, but he's getting Nabers the ball. It's not like he's not getting catches and opportunities.
He’s definitely targeting him, but if they aren’t smart throws, too late, too early, etc than what good are they? How many errant when he’s open down field?
I hear you, but throwing the ball down the field hasn't been an issue with Slayton. Maybe it's not all on Jones? And I get it, Jones has his issue aplenty, but Nabers shares the blame as well, whether it be drops, he's slipping, or he doesn't accelerate on the route.
He is tough to bring down, he will be btter with YAC with a new QB, and has speed to burn. He is so multi-dimensional.
Picked number 43 I believe
His drop rate is 6.8%. League average is 4.9%.
If he had dropped 1 fewer ball, he'd be at 5.5%. 2 fewer and he'd be below league average at 4.1%.
Basically he is 1.5 drops above average over the course of 6 games. Which you'd like to do better but really doesn't make that much of a difference in the big picture.
His drop rate is 6.8%. League average is 4.9%.
If he had dropped 1 fewer ball, he'd be at 5.5%. 2 fewer and he'd be below league average at 4.1%.
Basically he is 1.5 drops above average over the course of 6 games. Which you'd like to do better but really doesn't make that much of a difference in the big picture.
nabers is fantastic, but please do not excuse the drops it has cost us probably two games already. He is excellent, but if the drops continue it is a problem. He is a rookie and I am sure he will get better at it though.
I’m not sure what the motivation is to excuse the drops. He’s had killer drops in the 4th Q of 3 tight games that all resulted in an L.
It is what it is. Those plays need to be made if you want to be a winner.
Almost every good receiver has a 3-7 % drop rate.
Almost every good receiver has a 3-7 % drop rate.
I think its the timing of the drops than the number. I dont think its going to be an issue going forward anyways. Hes a rookie doing amazing things.
Will only get better.
I would like to see this trio next year with a better QB and hopefully new OC.
Almost every good receiver has a 3-7 % drop rate.
No, but the guy is a rookie, and going to make mistakes, and instead of just piling on Jones because it's really easy to do, can't we just say he's made some rookie mistakes as well? I certainly don't expect 0 drops, but he hasn't been flawless either.
This. Nabers has had some bad drops but he’s also saved Jones’ ass on several bad throws
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His drop rate is 6.8%. League average is 4.9%.
If he had dropped 1 fewer ball, he'd be at 5.5%. 2 fewer and he'd be below league average at 4.1%.
Basically he is 1.5 drops above average over the course of 6 games. Which you'd like to do better but really doesn't make that much of a difference in the big picture.
nabers is fantastic, but please do not excuse the drops it has cost us probably two games already. He is excellent, but if the drops continue it is a problem. He is a rookie and I am sure he will get better at it though.
The drops will be reduced when there is a QB getting the ball out on time and placing it where it needs to be. The drops are catchable balls, but much like the one at the end of the Steeler game, he is running full speed and has to stop and bend down to catch a ball that should be thrown in front of him.
Nabers own most of the blame, but those drops are not happening in a vacuum. There is a reason that it seems all the Giants WRs have drop problems since Jones got here.
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Like I said, he's dropped 1-2 passes too many. But in general fans really overstate drops.
Almost every good receiver has a 3-7 % drop rate.
No, but the guy is a rookie, and going to make mistakes, and instead of just piling on Jones because it's really easy to do, can't we just say he's made some rookie mistakes as well? I certainly don't expect 0 drops, but he hasn't been flawless either.
Sure, go ahead. If it makes you feel better.
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73 is the 2nd highest # of targets in the league.
His drop rate is 6.8%. League average is 4.9%.
If he had dropped 1 fewer ball, he'd be at 5.5%. 2 fewer and he'd be below league average at 4.1%.
Basically he is 1.5 drops above average over the course of 6 games. Which you'd like to do better but really doesn't make that much of a difference in the big picture.
nabers is fantastic, but please do not excuse the drops it has cost us probably two games already. He is excellent, but if the drops continue it is a problem. He is a rookie and I am sure he will get better at it though.
The drops will be reduced when there is a QB getting the ball out on time and placing it where it needs to be. The drops are catchable balls, but much like the one at the end of the Steeler game, he is running full speed and has to stop and bend down to catch a ball that should be thrown in front of him.
Nabers own most of the blame, but those drops are not happening in a vacuum. There is a reason that it seems all the Giants WRs have drop problems since Jones got here.
The two drops he has that were the bad ones was the one in Washington. That was a really good ball and the fade last week that was thrown perfectly.
But your other points are true. He makes plays and drops will happne from time to time.
Plus he is a rookie so he isnt goingto perfect. Nabers is part of the solution so far.
The one thing I will disagree is Wan'dale. He has dropped some really good throws and I thought he would be much better. He probably does need a better QB, but hes been pretty disappointing overall.
But I think Nabers has my favorite overall skillset of any Giants WR I've seen. Better QB and cleaning up some little issues and he could be special.
Didn't he drop a deep sideline pass Monday night? I also thought he could have come down with both feet in bounds on the end zone pass. I've seen many a good receiver make that a TD. Think a Lamb, Brown or Jefferson, among some others gets their toes in. Wasn't he the one who had the TD called back because of false start?
I think he has to clean up his own act before he starts getting mad at anyone else.
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Like I said, he's dropped 1-2 passes too many. But in general fans really overstate drops.
Almost every good receiver has a 3-7 % drop rate.
No, but the guy is a rookie, and going to make mistakes, and instead of just piling on Jones because it's really easy to do, can't we just say he's made some rookie mistakes as well? I certainly don't expect 0 drops, but he hasn't been flawless either.
Sure, go ahead. If it makes you feel better.
Ok, we'll wait for the rookie QB to come in next year, and I'm sure his production will skyrocket...
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Like I said, he's dropped 1-2 passes too many. But in general fans really overstate drops.
Almost every good receiver has a 3-7 % drop rate.
No, but the guy is a rookie, and going to make mistakes, and instead of just piling on Jones because it's really easy to do, can't we just say he's made some rookie mistakes as well? I certainly don't expect 0 drops, but he hasn't been flawless either.
Sure, go ahead. If it makes you feel better.
Ok, we'll wait for the rookie QB to come in next year, and I'm sure his production will skyrocket...
Don't you want it to?
Or would you feel better if it doesn't so you can say "See, you all were too hard on Daniel Jones".
If Nabers wasn't being targeted, yes he would have a right to be upset. But he is getting 10-13 looks every game. So perhaps he should work on not dropping very catchable passes.
We'll never know what Nabers can be until the Giants have a QB that throws with anticipation and can throw him open downfield. We do know he's killed the Giants in at least two games with drops. He dropped passes at LSU too. It's a problem.
Agree with you 100%, but I cleaned you post up a bit..
"There is trouble ahead as long as Jones continues to start."
If Nabers wasn't being targeted, yes he would have a right to be upset. But he is getting 10-13 looks every game. So perhaps he should work on not dropping very catchable passes.
I get frustrated as Hell that we still have so many patterns run just short of the sticks on 3rd down. But, at the same time, they would often pick up a first down if they were executed properly. for example, we picked one up on 4th down to Nabers because Robinson did his job and Jones threw it out in front of Nabers. But, when we have a guy cutting on an in route or out route, for example, the WR is running away from a defender where a pass out in front allows him to continue in that direction and ahead of the defender. But, if the throw is right on the body or behind the WR has to slow, reach back, or twist/turn back toward the defender, allowing the defender to make a play after the catch.
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Like I said, he's dropped 1-2 passes too many. But in general fans really overstate drops.
Almost every good receiver has a 3-7 % drop rate.
No, but the guy is a rookie, and going to make mistakes, and instead of just piling on Jones because it's really easy to do, can't we just say he's made some rookie mistakes as well? I certainly don't expect 0 drops, but he hasn't been flawless either.
Sure, go ahead. If it makes you feel better.
Ok, we'll wait for the rookie QB to come in next year, and I'm sure his production will skyrocket...
Don't you want it to?
Or would you feel better if it doesn't so you can say "See, you all were too hard on Daniel Jones".
I don't think anyone is arguing we need an upgrade from Jones, just don't expect some major shift in Nabers production with a rookie QB next year. Not hard to understand.
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Like I said, he's dropped 1-2 passes too many. But in general fans really overstate drops.
Almost every good receiver has a 3-7 % drop rate.
No, but the guy is a rookie, and going to make mistakes, and instead of just piling on Jones because it's really easy to do, can't we just say he's made some rookie mistakes as well? I certainly don't expect 0 drops, but he hasn't been flawless either.
Sure, go ahead. If it makes you feel better.
Ok, we'll wait for the rookie QB to come in next year, and I'm sure his production will skyrocket...
Don't you want it to?
Or would you feel better if it doesn't so you can say "See, you all were too hard on Daniel Jones".
I don't think anyone is arguing we need an upgrade from Jones, just don't expect some major shift in Nabers production with a rookie QB next year. Not hard to understand.
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Like I said, he's dropped 1-2 passes too many. But in general fans really overstate drops.
Almost every good receiver has a 3-7 % drop rate.
No, but the guy is a rookie, and going to make mistakes, and instead of just piling on Jones because it's really easy to do, can't we just say he's made some rookie mistakes as well? I certainly don't expect 0 drops, but he hasn't been flawless either.
Sure, go ahead. If it makes you feel better.
Ok, we'll wait for the rookie QB to come in next year, and I'm sure his production will skyrocket...
Don't you want it to?
Or would you feel better if it doesn't so you can say "See, you all were too hard on Daniel Jones".
I don't think anyone is arguing we need an upgrade from Jones, just don't expect some major shift in Nabers production with a rookie QB next year. Not hard to understand.
How short-sighted do you want to be here? Maybe next year there isn't much but in the years thereafter there is a major improvement as a rookie develops, whereas Jones hasn't.
Good lord.
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Like I said, he's dropped 1-2 passes too many. But in general fans really overstate drops.
Almost every good receiver has a 3-7 % drop rate.
No, but the guy is a rookie, and going to make mistakes, and instead of just piling on Jones because it's really easy to do, can't we just say he's made some rookie mistakes as well? I certainly don't expect 0 drops, but he hasn't been flawless either.
Sure, go ahead. If it makes you feel better.
Ok, we'll wait for the rookie QB to come in next year, and I'm sure his production will skyrocket...
Don't you want it to?
Or would you feel better if it doesn't so you can say "See, you all were too hard on Daniel Jones".
I don't think anyone is arguing we need an upgrade from Jones, just don't expect some major shift in Nabers production with a rookie QB next year. Not hard to understand.
Why not? IF we are drafting in the top of the draft, we should be drafting a better QB than Jones is right now.
Because Jaden Daniels and CJ Stroud don't grow on trees, and even if they hit, it probably won't equate to better production next year. And to be clear, I'm all for doing that, Id just lower your expectations.
On the QB - even if the next QB isn't good right way, I do think he will unleash some things in Nabers that we haven't seen much of yet. Jones is just so limited and conservative in the types of passes he can throw. I think Nabers has a lot of versatility and we will see him doing some exciting things with a QB who will just try stuff. With Jones we just so rarely see Nabers running onto deep balls, deep outs/corners, deep digs, catching long crossers at full speed, jump balls. Pretty much any other QB will give us more of that.
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whoever that may be. Looking on the plus side, maybe this is what it will take to finally move on and get a new QB.
Not for nothing, and clearly Jones isn't the answer, but he's getting Nabers the ball. It's not like he's not getting catches and opportunities.
He's getting catches. The 'opportunity' part depends on the timing, accuracy, and location of the throw. Its been countless times hes getting the ball late when the defense has already reacted to the play.
But I think Nabers has my favorite overall skillset of any Giants WR I've seen. Better QB and cleaning up some little issues and he could be special.
Odell was the most naturally gifted WR I think I have ever seen. His hands, short area quickness, speed, cutting ability were all in the 99% percentile plus.
I like Nabers, but I think there is a noticeable gap between his skills and OBJs. He's looking more and more like a short to medium range WR than a "take it to the house" type.
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Nicks was more physical. Plax had more size.
But I think Nabers has my favorite overall skillset of any Giants WR I've seen. Better QB and cleaning up some little issues and he could be special.
Odell was the most naturally gifted WR I think I have ever seen. His hands, short area quickness, speed, cutting ability were all in the 99% percentile plus.
I like Nabers, but I think there is a noticeable gap between his skills and OBJs. He's looking more and more like a short to medium range WR than a "take it to the house" type.
This is also a timing thing. You get him a ball on a slant on time and he can run through a defense. There is no doubt in me about that. The throws have to be anticipatory. Right now they are reactive.
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Nicks was more physical. Plax had more size.
But I think Nabers has my favorite overall skillset of any Giants WR I've seen. Better QB and cleaning up some little issues and he could be special.
Odell was the most naturally gifted WR I think I have ever seen. His hands, short area quickness, speed, cutting ability were all in the 99% percentile plus.
I like Nabers, but I think there is a noticeable gap between his skills and OBJs. He's looking more and more like a short to medium range WR than a "take it to the house" type.
Odell was the most naturally gifted WR I think I have ever seen. His hands, short area quickness, speed, cutting ability were all in the 99% percentile plus.
I like Nabers, but I think there is a noticeable gap between his skills and OBJs. He's looking more and more like a short to medium range WR than a "take it to the house" type.
I think this is very premature. The next time he is "thrown open", hit in stride, properly led, etc. will be the first. Monday night, there was a play where Nabers was lined up on the left side of the offense on the bottom of the screen. The camera catches him put a move on the CB at the line and freeze him. Rgith away I yelled he has Nabers, hoping it was a sideline route. Jones at least saw it, but made a bad throw. This is happening at a decent clip, but it isn't always caught on the TV broadcast. You have to hit on those.
There is merit in your position for sure. There are still unknowns without a more gifted QB to get Nabers the ball.
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Odell was the most naturally gifted WR I think I have ever seen. His hands, short area quickness, speed, cutting ability were all in the 99% percentile plus.
I like Nabers, but I think there is a noticeable gap between his skills and OBJs. He's looking more and more like a short to medium range WR than a "take it to the house" type.
I think this is very premature. The next time he is "thrown open", hit in stride, properly led, etc. will be the first. Monday night, there was a play where Nabers was lined up on the left side of the offense on the bottom of the screen. The camera catches him put a move on the CB at the line and freeze him. Rgith away I yelled he has Nabers, hoping it was a sideline route. Jones at least saw it, but made a bad throw. This is happening at a decent clip, but it isn't always caught on the TV broadcast. You have to hit on those.
There is merit in your position for sure. There are still unknowns without a more gifted QB to get Nabers the ball.
I think we will see a world of difference with these guys once a QB can recognize their target and hit him on time.
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Nicks was more physical. Plax had more size.
But I think Nabers has my favorite overall skillset of any Giants WR I've seen. Better QB and cleaning up some little issues and he could be special.
Odell was the most naturally gifted WR I think I have ever seen. His hands, short area quickness, speed, cutting ability were all in the 99% percentile plus.
I like Nabers, but I think there is a noticeable gap between his skills and OBJs. He's looking more and more like a short to medium range WR than a "take it to the house" type.
I think this is very premature. The next time he is "thrown open", hit in stride, properly led, etc. will be the first. Monday night, there was a play where Nabers was lined up on the left side of the offense on the bottom of the screen. The camera catches him put a move on the CB at the line and freeze him. Rgith away I yelled he has Nabers, hoping it was a sideline route. Jones at least saw it, but made a bad throw. This is happening at a decent clip, but it isn't always caught on the TV broadcast. You have to hit on those.
If you're referring to the long sideline throat to nabers, I thought he slowed down a bit which caused the overthrow.
And I'm looking forward to him having-HOPEFULLY-a legit QB next fall.
More Drops = More Losses = More New QB Opportunities.